Author Topic: A great place for the guy that enjoys Muzzleloading. (Read 1499 times)

Redhawk1 · « **on:** January 11, 2007, 03:23:53 AM »

A great place for the guy that enjoys Muzzleloading.
Lot of information.
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/

Ricoh · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2007, 07:53:34 AM »

Thanks Redhawk. Some interesting reading.

Rick

flintlock · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:18:28 AM »

Not a great place for the guy that likes flintlocks and shooting patched round balls...

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:59:12 AM »

Quote from: flintlock on January 11, 2007, 08:18:28 AM

Not a great place for the guy that likes flintlocks and shooting patched round balls...

Your right, that is why I only posted this in the Modern Inline Muzzleloading forums.

Wolfhound · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2007, 10:36:05 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on January 11, 2007, 03:23:53 AM

A great place for the guy that enjoys Muzzleloading.
Lot of information.
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/

$:-\$ About the only thing I agree with is his effort to get scopes legal everywhere.

slave · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2007, 02:20:39 PM »

Some good info posted there.

rks1949 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2007, 04:03:27 PM »

And some not so good info. there also.

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:28:33 PM »

I haven't found any bad inline muzzleloading info there. Like all products that are reviewed from places like this, you need to try them first in your ML. No two MLs are alike - so results are going to vary.

Wolfhound · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2007, 11:39:14 PM »

Quote from: Biff Mayhem on January 11, 2007, 08:28:33 PM

I haven't found any bad inline muzzleloading info there. Like all products that are reviewed from places like this, you need to try them first in your ML. No two MLs are alike - so results are going to vary.

How about this? This info isn't any good: http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Warnings1.html

slave · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2007, 01:42:03 AM »

Posted on: Yesterday at 10:03:27 PMPosted by: rks1949
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And some not so good info. there also.

You are correct as well.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2007, 02:00:26 AM »

Sure there is going to be some good and bad. But it is information nevertheless. I take everything I read and use it as a reference. What I do is experience it for myself and then make my own informed decision.

No matter where you go, you are going to find good and bad information, it is how you use it that counts.

AndyHass · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2007, 05:27:28 AM »

As with all information sources, you need to use a critical eye.

1) Staying out of the politics of what happened, I agree that the savage breechplug design is questionable. No matter how that gun blew, I don't think a half threaded plug that lets gas into a thinner area of the breech is a good design...especially with smokeless. Smokeless can erode metal, anyone who shoots a magnum knows that barrels burn from it in the throat area.

2) I see Bridges was the one involved in the questionable Precision Rifle drop test. Funny how their bullets took the top 6 spots, yet the 200gr Shockwave was conveniently left out of the test while the 250gr SST was included. If this site is the center for inline ML, they should have known how popular the 200gr Shockwave is for its trajectory and included it in the test.

simonkenton · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2007, 12:52:30 PM »

Bridges has an axe to grind against the Balls and Savage.
I caught him in several lies when he was explaining the exploding Savage. Since then, I don't believe a word he says.
It makes me sad. He is a very knowledgable guy.
I am sure that most of the info on his web site is good.
As for me, I don't go over there anymore.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2007, 02:42:27 PM »

After all I have read on the Web regarding Bridges, I just take it with a grain of salt. He's very knowledgable, but lets his bias against people/clubs/rifles hurt his credibility. This is heresay, but I have read that he was using loads that were way over maximum when that rifle blew up, and then he tried to sue Savage for the design of the rifle resulting in failure. All I know is that Savage and the Ball's don't seem to want anything to do with him anymore, and several of the sponsors of the website don't either. Who knows what kind of soap opera is going on behind the scenes? Oh well.

wgr · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:19:47 PM »

i dont guess toby believes what he says i took great ofence being called ignorant by a guy that has never layed eyes on me . i sent toby an email no answer guess. guess its eather he thinks his opion is the bottom line are what i think hes full of it no one compares a 30-06 to ((any)black powder rifle itslike day and night
take the old black powder rounds and well talk . with all the tang sights that were used i dought if many buffalo were shot with a scoped rifle . befor you guys take me wrong ill say that i hunt with and inline the first season use paper patch bullets no problem killing deer at 200yd. but when the second season comes along im a die hard patch round ball shooter. well my ten cent worth but if you guy do talk to toby ask him to return my email sorry i hurt his feelings

kb · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2007, 03:49:36 PM »

Information neither good nor bad, but what you do or take from it is what is importaint. Consider the source. From what Ive read about him, is that he seems to go to the highest bidder.

I dont know him, or have anything to do with him, but I do have a Savage, and dont have any problem shooting it. I just dont abuse it.

kb

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:49:41 AM »

Quote from: kb on January 27, 2007, 03:49:36 PM

Information neither good nor bad, but what you do or take from it is what is importaint. Consider the source. From what Ive read about him, is that he seems to go to the highest bidder.

I dont know him, or have anything to do with him, but I do have a Savage, and dont have any problem shooting it. I just dont abuse it.

kb

I just found it helpful to new muzzleloader shooters to get information. Like I posted above, use what you want from it, but use your judgement.

kb · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:48:32 PM »

I find that an open forum like this, and some others are the best information. Otherwise one might as well just read the companies advertisement for information.

I 100% agree that judgement must be used. When in doubt, just ask.

kb

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:47:02 PM »

Quote from: Wolfhound on January 11, 2007, 11:39:14 PM

How about this? This info isn't any good: http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Warnings1.html

If the info on the Savage barrel rupture was incorrect, then one would think that two years later - those pics and the wordings describing the pics would no longer be there.

Where is the proof that Savage is suing Bridges for false or intended rupture? How about some kind of proof that Savage is suing Bridges for posting those pics and the words surrounding the pics?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:27:16 PM »

We all know that toby blew up that rifle because the funds he was getting paid were running low

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #20 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:30:45 AM »

Quote from: bigblock455 on January 28, 2007, 06:27:16 PM

We all know that toby blew up that rifle because the funds he was getting paid were running low

Well go have a meeting with all your other "we alls" and provide me with some proof. I am not a believer of black & white wording specualtion - not a believer of 'it didn't happen" when a two year-old pic that still exists at that website says it did happen.

What other fairy tale books have you read or looked at?

ourway77 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:47:37 PM »

I for one think everyone should let sleeping Dogs lie, This debate has went on for a long time. Toby Bridges said it did happen. I for one own a Savage smokeless ML'er and have shot the s--- out of it and see no tell tale signs that has been told to look out for. Go to Doug's message boards and you will see 99.9 people who will set everyone straight. The people who keep bringing this up weren't there as was I. So until concrete proof is established, I will just sit back and wait. Just my 2 cents. Lou