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Mass, Velocity and Kinetic Energy.
« on: January 12, 2007, 08:08:04 AM »
Found this on huntersfriend.com. Pretty good info enjoy.

ARROW MASS VS. ARROW VELOCITY TEST: 


http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhelp/arrow-selection-5.htm


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Re: Mass, Velocity and Kinetic Energy.
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2007, 01:20:18 PM »
Bullets kill by transferring kinetic energy, delivering shock, and causing damage far outside the actual wound channel.  Applying kinetic energy over momentum when it comes to arrows is ridiculous.  Arrows kill by creating a cut wound channel...the longer the wound channel, the more there is to bleed...a hole in and another out is better than just one in that's blocked up by an arrow shaft that fails to exit.

Momentum is the tendency for an object to resist a change in direction.  This is what keeps an arrow penetrating until resistance stops its forward progress.

Three years back I bought a new bow and went with the "lighter is better" theory to flatten trajectory.  I took four deer with the bow, and was dismayed that none of the arrows  exited even when they hit no more than a couple ribs.  Three of the four were difficult to find because they didn't bleed due to the arrow shaft blocking up the wound channel.  The 5th deer I shot that season was the biggest buck I ever put a sight pin on, 12-14 points.  He tightened at the snap and dropped a bit, and I hit the shoulder blade.  As he ran off it appeared the broadhead never made it through the bone.  I tracked him by drops and intuition for a mile but thankfully he dropped the arrow and appeared to survive the incident.

After that I switched to much, much heavier carbon shafts.  Every arrow since has exited and left great blood trails.  My trajectory is only marginally worse yet the results on penetration with both deer and backstops is extraordinary.

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Re: Mass, Velocity and Kinetic Energy.
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 06:00:17 PM »
Bullets kill by transferring kinetic energy, delivering shock, and causing damage far outside the actual wound channel.  Applying kinetic energy over momentum when it comes to arrows is ridiculous.  Arrows kill by creating a cut wound channel...the longer the wound channel, the more there is to bleed...a hole in and another out is better than just one in that's blocked up by an arrow shaft that fails to exit.

Momentum is the tendency for an object to resist a change in direction.  This is what keeps an arrow penetrating until resistance stops its forward progress.

Three years back I bought a new bow and went with the "lighter is better" theory to flatten trajectory.  I took four deer with the bow, and was dismayed that none of the arrows  exited even when they hit no more than a couple ribs.  Three of the four were difficult to find because they didn't bleed due to the arrow shaft blocking up the wound channel.  The 5th deer I shot that season was the biggest buck I ever put a sight pin on, 12-14 points.  He tightened at the snap and dropped a bit, and I hit the shoulder blade.  As he ran off it appeared the broadhead never made it through the bone.  I tracked him by drops and intuition for a mile but thankfully he dropped the arrow and appeared to survive the incident.

After that I switched to much, much heavier carbon shafts.  Every arrow since has exited and left great blood trails.  My trajectory is only marginally worse yet the results on penetration with both deer and backstops is extraordinary.

Actually what you did there andy was INCREASE your Kinetic energy by increasing your mass. The heavier arrow weight increased its applied stored energy to carry it through the animal. Basicly what I like on the latest bows is, you can get a really super fast bow...couple that with a heavier arrow (yes it slows its velocity down) but if its really super fast to begin with then you are still faster with a heavy arrow than you were with an older bow. So you have increased your trajectory baseline as well as kept the ability to shoot a heavy arrow for mass kinetic energy for pass throughs. Kinetic energy is applied to both bullets and arrows. While the bullet kills with both HYDROSTATIC SHOCK and HEMMORAGIC EFFECT the arrow Only Kills with HEMMORAGIC EFFECT. Kinetic energy is transferred into the animal with a bullet while with an arrow Kinetic energy, combined with a sharp cutting surface, allows the arrow to pass through.
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Re: Mass, Velocity and Kinetic Energy.
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 03:45:09 PM »

"Actually what you did there andy was INCREASE your Kinetic energy by increasing your mass. "

NO.  Momentum = mass X velocity , whereas kinetic energy = mass X velocity SQUARED.  Therefore, when I increase mass and decrease velocity, the loss in velocity is squared and cannot be balanced out by the increase in mass....therefore kinetic energy DECREASES.

Stop and think about these physics concepts.  Momentum is an object resisting a change in motion....ie resisting stopping forward motion, ie penetration.  Kinetic energy is just that...energy that can be turned into work.  A bullet turns this energy into work by transferring it to tissue damage.  Yes, an arrow uses the energy when it turns it into work by cutting, but this process is fundamentally different than what a bullet does.

Read these...
http://www.booneman.com/_terminalarrow.php
http://www.datakey.com.au/steve1/Momentum.pdf