Thanks guys, I don't think it matters all that much anyhow. We're just going cause it seems that theres so many around. I don't think he'll mind caliber sized holes. I've never used the 110's on game so i wasn't sure what to expect. I shot one with an SST slug a couple months back and it didn't seem to do much damage at all. but then again they only travel about 1800 fps. - Kevin