Author Topic: multi caliber adapters... (Read 12961 times)

TX-Hunter · « **on:** January 30, 2007, 05:42:34 AM »

i like to take a medium length (18.5") single shot 12g shotgun for running the woods. I read the article in "The Backwoodsman Magazine" about the adapters. I was wondering if any of yall have real experience with any of them and if it is work messing with. I was thinking i would like a .22LR and maybe a 9mm, if there is one.

corbanzo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:44:15 AM »

It sounds like a really dumb idea to me. In theory, it works... but why would you want one? You want small game, you use small shot, you want bigger game, you use bigger shot. You want protection you use biggest shot, you want lots of protection or big game, you use slugs. You can carry all of these types of shells with you at the same time, without having to shove something down the barrel of your shotgun. (well, beside the cartridge)

jgalar · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2007, 03:48:56 AM »

Somebody must like them or they wouldn't be produced.

I have no experience with them nor will I ever. For statistical purposes put me in the Corbanzo camp.

TX-Hunter · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2007, 04:16:05 AM »

useless or not. it does serve a purpose. to drain me of more money that i do not have

I'll get one one day.

rzwieg · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:55:17 PM »

There are a few reasons for shotgun adaptors. 1) They look like shotguns. What do the powers that be take first? Centerfire rifles. 2) With sights you can use rifle rounds for longer ranges. Pull the tube, and it's rabbits at close range. 3)They're a bit cheaper than combo guns. 4) if you don't reload, in rifles practice can be cheaper and more quiet.

NONYA · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2007, 10:28:06 PM »

I dont see how you could ever achieve true accuracy with an insert like this.

moxgrove · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2007, 01:37:43 PM »

I personally use two different mcace barrel inserts. One on a o/u 20g 1 12o/u they work great with a little work on your part. You have to turn them a little at a time until they get roughly point of aim and then mark the adapter and breach face to line them up perfectly next time. I have one in 30-40 krag that i put in my lower barrel of the 12 g. I have sights on the rib. they regulate pretty much 60 yards for a slug and 130 for the krag. it is a pretty sweet set up. the krag insert groups about 3 inches at 150 yards. it is a poor man's combo gun. the insert was less than a hundred bucks. it is sweet to be able to take a pheasant if there are no deer to be found. would also be good for the incidental fox or coyote.
The 22 in the 20 gauge works well also about 2 inches at 50 yards. not benchrest level but still minute of cottontail.

pills · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2007, 03:52:52 PM »

I think they are a great idea. Funny so far the most negative comments I have seen are from who have no actual experience with them. My buddy has some for his 12 gauge that use 38 or 357 rounds. I am wanting to find some that use 40 S&W since that is my handgun of choice.

But hey what do I know, I like handi-rifles and Hi-Points.

TX-Hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2007, 02:32:21 AM »

You like handi-rifles!?!?

For shame, for shame.

I have 3 of them myself.

I talked to Ace Dube and he said he could make them in 6 inch as well. Didn't get a price, but it shouldn't be more that the 10" insert.

NONYA · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2007, 06:24:25 AM »

tHOSE HIGHPOINTS ARE pILES OF s***,the only semi auto pistol near accident i ever saw was one of thier 9mms,owner racked the slide and when the slide closed the round went off,his finger was no where near the trigger,good thing he had it pointed up and away,this gun was BRAND NEW with less tha 50 rounds through it and we were able to get it to do it again after about 20 trys,the shop that sold it took it back and has since stopped selling them.So what do carry around a quiver with these inserts in it so you can drop them in when your pheasent hunt turns into a deer hunt?They cant be accurate enough to make them viable.

pills · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2007, 08:03:24 AM »

Yep Hi-Points are piles.

That is why I just bought my wife a 9mm so she can shoot a semi-auto. Glocks are piles too. Ever hear about all the officers shooting themselves with their raincoats?

For anyone who may stumble across this thread searching on Hi-Points I will leave this link. It is a bunch of folks who actually own an American made product with a lifetime warranty to the bazillionth owner

http://hipoint.7.forumer.com/

This will probably be my last post on this issue. The original poster asked this:

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I was wondering if any of yall have real experience with any of them and if it is work messing with.

I do have real experience with them and think they are worth messing with. As for the others that have opinions and don't even know how they work or never heard of them until now... well I will leave that alone.

Good day gentleman.

LEO · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2007, 12:28:31 PM »

I don't know about the hi points as I have never fired one or been around anyone firing them. But as far as the unintentional/accidental discharges go, I have seen them happen with S&W autoloaders, Beretta 92s, and double barrel shotguns none of these involved a finger on the trigger either. I don't know why the hi point did it but just because it happens doesn't necessarily mean the design is junk sometimes there are other things going on. That is why it is critical to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction while handling any firearm.

Now for the question about the adaptors, you are not going to win the national matches with them but if you take the time to learn how to position the adaptor in your particular firearm you can get adequate hunting accuracy out of most of them. Keep in mind these are not for the 500 yard shots but rather the targets of opportunity, usually at close range. I have never used the longer 16" adapters but the small "chamber size" adapters do okay so I imagine the longer ones would only be better. I had one that allowed me to shoot 30 carbine in my 30 30 for a while when carbine ammo was cheap and it provided groups comparable to the 30 30 and allowed for cheap shooting without reloading, it was kind of aggravating having to punch out and reload every time. But I realize that is different than what you are wanting to do. A fellow I used to shoot with had one that allowed him to shoot 30-30s out of his 20 gauge that was about 10" long and it did OK he mainly just played with it though I don't know that he ever hunted with it.

moxgrove · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2007, 01:07:40 PM »

as for using the adapter, I have double barrel shotguns. one is always left for shot. So no there is no quiver of them. I use the o/u as a single shot with benefits. How can you judge something you haven't seen or used. No they won't win any target shoots, but they will work on game at reasonable woods ranges.

NONYA · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2007, 06:54:54 PM »

I can judge the concept,I can have the opinion that it wouldnt be accurate or convienent,I can have the opinion that I wouldnt want a shotgun jerry rigged into a rifle round with poor accuracy,pretty simple,i dont have to waste money on one to make the decision that I think its a bad idea.

pills · « **Reply #14 on:** March 06, 2007, 12:52:22 PM »

It is settled. Nonya's opinion is greater than anyone else's experiences. We just thought they worked. Thank you sir for clearing that up.

NONYA · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:36:51 PM »

Once again I have been reminded that Im not entitled to my opinion of anything,Thanx!

myronman3 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:44:54 AM »

nonya, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. no one is questioning that. but... the guy is interested in them, and asked for experience with them. we understand that adapters arent for you. that is cool. i happen to agree with you.... to an extent. as moderator of this forum, i ask you to continue to share your opinions and experiences, but to also make an effort to be a tad less arguementitive. that pretty much goes for everyone; not just nonya. again, i like your personality and more often than not i agree with you.

now, i have used adapters to fire a 22 lr in a 223 contender barrel. it worked great. but using a rifle adapter in a shotgun i havent done and wont do. if otheres want to try it, best of luck to them. i figure i can buy a used gun pretty cheap and a cheap gun will most likely give results better than or at least as good as the adapters will. i would let price be the determining factor here. for example... contender barrels are about 150 used. i had a 223 barrel, and the insert was about 9 bucks; way cheaper than another barrel. but if the adapter was $90, i could buy a used 22 rifle for that much, and it would worked as well or better. see my point? my advice is to keep price in mind, and use your best judgement from there.

best wishes to all.

TX-Hunter · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2007, 04:00:44 AM »

This is the Survival forum. So i was thinking more along those lines.

With some shot shells and 00 buck in one pocket, I can stick a 4" adapter in my back pocket and 25 .22lr in my other front pocket and head out. Not have to carry two guns.

But mostly I wanted to hear from those that had used them and what they thought. Whether they make sense or not is not the question. They may not make sense. As a gun nut, how many things do i have that make no sense? Probably a few. I just wanted them, so i got them. Which i will do with an adapter real soon.

Thanks!

Drilling Man · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2007, 04:10:45 AM »

I guess i'll give "some" of you something to whine about because i've always been interested in adapters too... I own quite a few different kinds and have shot them quite a bit..

For "most" of them, accuracy isn't great, unless you take the time to shoot them enough to sort them out... BUT, if you buy the "good stuff", like the ones from Krieghoff pictured below, they are very accurate and very usefull. I hunt with mine quite often and have put a lot of meat in my freezer with them. They are quiet and you can store a lot of ammo in a small space.

DM

kid_couteau · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:39:48 AM »

Hi All

I dont have any experience with the adapters but am interested in them so I hope you wont mind if I tag along.

I would think tho that if I do buy one it would be at least 6" long.

The ones the size of an actual shot shell dont have enough rifling for my tastes.

Take care
Kid

shermbob · « **Reply #20 on:** April 28, 2007, 09:32:00 AM »

If your interested you might check out this http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm adapters and inserts
shermbob

Couger · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:45:45 AM »

I'm amazed at the negative and shortsighted attitudes toward these devices!

Am I an expert on them? No!

But I have experimented with them a little ..... And see a lot of potential in them.

And using a 12ga as a primary scrounging food-getter could work fine in an ideal situation (by changing loads and shot sizes) - unless one needs to shoot more "quietly."

That's where a barrel adapter in .22LR might work for rabbits or squirrels inside of 20-30yds (accuracy enough), or a .38Spl at the same ranges might could kill a deer. Plus being shot in a 12bore with a 18 to 22 inch barrel will be quieter than if shot from a revolver or lever-carbine.

Think about it!

I'm also a big advocate of having subsonic .22LR's for most needs but also .22CB Caps for really "quiet" applications, and CCI Velocitor's for much bigger "rimfire" chores. I can agree that a .22Mag has it's place too, with folks who want them.

Plus Ace Dube also sells chamber adapters for .3006's to shoot .308Winchester ammo, and adapters that allow a shooter to shoot 7.62X39 ammo in an '06 or .308W as well. During certain scenarios if ammo was scarce, being more versatile with what ammo one can use in the same rifle might be a good thing!

In a SHTF situation I would want more than a SS shotgun, but for hunting and scrounging, a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun with a .22LR adapter and a CF rifle adapter could help create a better and even more economical hunting piece than a straight singleshot shotgun with heavy bulky ammo.

I need to point out, I like Handi-Rifles but see chamber inserts and barrel adapters as methods to minimize weight and "some" bulk.

BTW, what I have read about chamber adapters and barrel inserts written by such authors as Ragnar Benson is largely true, if one doesn't expect these devices to perform miracles.

corbanzo · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2008, 08:15:55 AM »

I'm still really wondering what the point is....

If you are hunting large game, you don't want to shoot small game because you will scare the large game.

Why bring a shotgun and a .22? A shot gun will do anything a .22 will do, except more easily. If you can't get within shotgun range of something a .22 will kill, especially out of a small adapter...... you need to brush up on your stalking.

The only thing I could think of is if moose season was in duck season... and it's not. And even with that... I would need a scope for the moose... and a bead sight for the ducks... still meaning they wouldn't work out of the same gun.

So if anyone could give me a REAL WORLD example of where you would use this... I would appreciate it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2008, 08:36:28 AM »

I couldn't read all the negative so i will respond , i use adapters , little skitters by Browning , in my 12 ga. i shoot 20 , 28 and 410 . on a skeet field the 20 and 28 do fine thru. the 12 ga. bbls !
Also have 28 and 410 adapters for the 20 ga and they both work good !
for those that can't see the advantage in a survival mode , step back and think - just about any shell can be used , for food gathering a pocket full of 410 shells are a lot lighter than 12 ga .
as for rifle adapters in a shot gun , i would rather have a nice target pistol along .
that said if some one figures out how to mount a 22LR device in place of the rib on an 870 pump , i might try it !
a gun attached to a gun sort of !

Couger · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:06:38 PM »

Quote from: corbanzo on February 13, 2008, 08:15:55 AM

I'm still really wondering what the point is....

If you are hunting large game, you don't want to shoot small game because you will scare the large game.

Why bring a shotgun and a .22? A shot gun will do anything a .22 will do, except more easily. If you can't get within shotgun range of something a .22 will kill, especially out of a small adapter...... you need to brush up on your stalking.

The only thing I could think of is if moose season was in duck season... and it's not. And even with that... I would need a scope for the moose... and a bead sight for the ducks... still meaning they wouldn't work out of the same gun.

So if anyone could give me a REAL WORLD example of where you would use this... I would appreciate it.

Corbanzo, you seem to want to apply the use of these devices to everyday applications when everything is hunky-dory.

If you can pretend that the proverbial 'fit has hit the shan,' "THAT" is when I'd use these inserts and adapters. Imagine the world has gone to hell in the proverbial hand basket, or a person finds himself in a "literal" survival situation with only one firearm. Being able to shoot a .38Spl or .30-30 through an insert that fits into a 12ga barrel might prove handy and versatile

But for every day usage? I'd choose a firearm suited to the chore at hand - high-powered rifle for moose or deer or bear (with a few low-vel sqib-loads to head-shoot grouse if the opportunity presents), or a 12ga pump or semi-A for ducks or pheasants (with a Foster slug or buckshot round in the pocket for the opportunistic whitetail or black bear) ......

But for a "survivalist," why discount these devices? A survival situation might exist outside of Sacramento or Salt Lake City city limits after a huge earthquake in those cities, or maybe a prezident Barak outlaws guns and brings in a belligerent U.N. (just suppose).

(Salt Lake City is threatened by earthquakes, and I assume Sacramento is - since Los Angeles is).

Who in their right mind thinks "hunting" would still be like it is during normal times? And if guns were ever actually outlawed, what guns are still "out there" will be limited and scarce. "VERSATILITY" will be very important in such scenarios.

I realize these chamber adapters and barrel inserts are EXTREMELY SPECIALIZED. Wasn't that understood?

Ragnar Benson outlined their use in "poaching applications," that use the same skills a "survivor" would use.

I also realize my examples are somewhat hypothetical, but if someone who is preparing NOW (for doomsday) lacked the insight to collect whatever weapons might be needed in "end of the world scenario," I can't help you.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #25 on:** February 14, 2008, 03:11:54 AM »

Quote from: corbanzo on February 13, 2008, 08:15:55 AM

I'm still really wondering what the point is....

If you are hunting large game, you don't want to shoot small game because you will scare the large game.

Why bring a shotgun and a .22? A shot gun will do anything a .22 will do, except more easily. If you can't get within shotgun range of something a .22 will kill, especially out of a small adapter...... you need to brush up on your stalking.

The only thing I could think of is if moose season was in duck season... and it's not. And even with that... I would need a scope for the moose... and a bead sight for the ducks... still meaning they wouldn't work out of the same gun.

So if anyone could give me a REAL WORLD example of where you would use this... I would appreciate it.

A real world example...

I've flown into the bush for weeks at a time, hunting all over, living in a tent and harvesting animials as i had the chance... Big game, small game and ducks/goose season was all open and fair game... In a small bush plane, you can't carry all kinds of guns and everything including the kitchen sink. You need that room to brings things you will really need.

Here on my farm, i can use a shotgun and a rifle in the same season... I can also hunt small game if i choose, and having my drilling lets me take advantage of that.

I can think of all kinds of reasons i "really" wouldn't need one, but then again i figured out long time ago how usfull it is to have a firearm that does it all, so now i just enjoy owning and using my "one gun for everything"

DM

corbanzo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 15, 2008, 11:05:49 AM »

To the survival situation, let me get this straight... when you go out into the woods... where survival situation happens, you are going to bring a few adapters and a few different types of cartridges, everytime? That just seems like a lot of work when you could bring #4 shot, and some slugs and kill everything out there... without all the extra weight.

And how much does that 3 barrel drilling weigh? Looks like it might be more than my -06 and 12gauge combined....

I know that if I am gone out for more than a couple of weeks, I am bringing more than one gun with me. If weight is really that much an issue (I know for a fact that 8 extra lbs (rifle or shotgun) can be made up for in a bush plane pretty easily) why would you want all the extra adapters and all the extra ammunition? Why not just bring a pump shotgun with a cantilever slug barrel? You can kill everything with that. Save on weight.

I really don't see how bringing a bunch of extra crap really takes down on weight. Or how a "patch" - the adapter - is making up for a certain function when the initial firearm can do the job as well or better.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #27 on:** February 15, 2008, 01:04:03 PM »

My suggestion is to buy one of the combo guns and have a dedicated 22LR barrel and rifle sights. Sticking an adapter into a shotgun, while cool, will not give you the pinpoint accuracy to pot rabbits and other small game.
The gentleman with the Drilling has rifled sights and even a scope mounted and can adjust his hits. I do not see how anyone with a single shot, pump, auto or side by side would be able to zero in with the bead and make hits on small game. If you have something with rifle sights on it then great try one out.
A drilling or verling (4 barrels.) would be best for a survival gun. Most dillings are not not much heavier that any standard rifle or shotgun and usually tip the scales at 8 pounds or less but usually use a center fire as the rifle ctg. The Verling just adds a rim fire in the center or down the rib in between the shotgun tubes. Instant choice of grape shot, buck shot, or a center fire rifle round to meet your need.
I think a combo gun would give you the best of both worlds. A shotgun to pot big game, flying birds and small game, and the rim fire rifle to pot small game and be quiet about it. Another option is a pump/ auto shotgun with rifle sights and screw in chokes. The chokes will allow you to shoot all manner of shot and a rifled choke tube will allow accuracy up to 150 yards for big game with a sabot slug. A bandoleer of 25 or 50 rounds in the back pack will allow for a while in the woods. Also 12ga flares could be added to use for signaling. Flares are available at any boating store. Just be careful with them and where they land.
But to each his own and good luck with what ever you decide to do.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:48:16 PM »

Quote from: corbanzo on February 15, 2008, 11:05:49 AM

To the survival situation, let me get this straight... when you go out into the woods... where survival situation happens, you are going to bring a few adapters and a few different types of cartridges, everytime? That just seems like a lot of work when you could bring #4 shot, and some slugs and kill everything out there... without all the extra weight.

And how much does that 3 barrel drilling weigh? Looks like it might be more than my -06 and 12gauge combined....

I know that if I am gone out for more than a couple of weeks, I am bringing more than one gun with me. If weight is really that much an issue (I know for a fact that 8 extra lbs (rifle or shotgun) can be made up for in a bush plane pretty easily) why would you want all the extra adapters and all the extra ammunition? Why not just bring a pump shotgun with a cantilever slug barrel? You can kill everything with that. Save on weight.

I really don't see how bringing a bunch of extra crap really takes down on weight. Or how a "patch" - the adapter - is making up for a certain function when the initial firearm can do the job as well or better.

My drilling weighs 7 pounds... Yes, on lengthy hunts i carry an adapter in my pack or already in the gun. I've used it many times for small game for a low noise game getter. The adapter weighs very little and how many 22 shells will fit in the spot 5 or more shotshells takes up? How about the noise difference...

My adapter is just as accurate as a quality bolt action 22, and you sight it in to the gun it's installed on and it always comes back to zero each time you put it in.

You may want to pass up a big bull caribou at 200 plus yards because you happened to be carrying a shotgun at that moment, but i don't have to... And, you can bring all the guns you want with you on a hunt, but if you hunted the way i always have, you'd soon see why i don't and won't...

Trying to come off a sand bar with a load that takes 2 hours round trip to make, on several hunts a year, it's just too costly to drag in anything more than i absolutely have to and pay for extra flying or put a buddy out that owns the plane. Once you start flying all the time (with friends, not paying a flying service) you soon learn what works and what you don't need on a hunt. I can't even remember the last time i drug in two long guns on a hunt??? Same thing on a pack string...take two long guns on a hunt???

BTW, it's not just the weight, it's the space it takes too... Have you ever flew much in a cub?? while sitting on a load of moose meat??? (1-1/2 hours each direction)

DM

corbanzo · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2008, 10:02:30 AM »

Yep, my girls old man has a cub. I guess I do have to say to each his own. If I'm out hunting big game, I am not going to shoot anything else, just as not to risk scaring off a good bou or a moose.

I guess to each his own though. If it works for you, that is good.