Author Topic: multi caliber adapters... (Read 13208 times)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #30 on:** February 18, 2008, 03:25:35 AM »

a good bolt gun in 308 with an adapter to allow 30 carbine might be the balance needed in a survival case . the 308 is good for most things and the 30 car. would replace a 22 the box of bullets are only about 2 times as large as a box of 22 LR even closer to 22 mag. in a scout rifle what more could ya need ?
oh yea i have killed deer with the carbine and squirrels !

Couger · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2008, 11:49:25 AM »

Good for you, SHOOTALL,

I tried a .32ACP in a .308 adapter and didn't like it. I think the .30Carb / .308Win adapter is (instead) the way to go too. Actually, because they reload so slowly, I think two or three - loaded and ready to shoot are the way to go. And if a really 'quiet combination' is needed, I'm anxious to try some bullets heavier than 110 grains, and even heavier than 150 grains on top of 6 - 8 - 10 grains of Unique.

Also, a critical part of the success to using a barrel insert is shooting it and becoming familiar with it enough, to index it so one can "properly align" it to achieve repeated tight-enough accuracy.

Just how accurate is accurate? Maybe 'minute-of-squirrel' or 'minute-of-rabbit' when shooting a .22? Or minute-of-deer or elk when shooting a .308 in a .30/06.

Some will probably say, "Oh crap, just shoot a birdshot shotshell and be done with it!" or a SLUG or BUCKSHOT round .....

But in a depression scenario, or end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it scenario, couldn't there be times when a scrounger-hunter might need to be "quiet?"

I think of the big bears in Alaska that come a-running to the proverbial gunshot (dinner bell) and runs a hunter off his deer or other big game kill .....

In an end-times scenario, why broadcast to everyone within a 1-2-3 mile radius you're out there hunting? If you might be more prudent being quieter? (using a bow and arrow I realize is also "quiet").

In an end-times-scenario, why do I want other scrounger-hunters knowing where I am to know where to compete with me? Or even steal from me and my family?

And if hostile elements are in the vicinity looking for "survivalists" why do I want them to find me? And mine?

The potential for these devices is almost endless. Heck, these kinds of devices got part of their start in the late nineteenth century (according to gunwriter Ken Waters) as a means of shooting "gallery loads" indoors, if not more economically shooting scarce components.

corbanzo · « **Reply #32 on:** February 29, 2008, 10:50:22 AM »

Brown bears don't run hunters off kills. If you are challenged by a brown bear, especially over food, you shoot it. There might be a 10% chance of you knowing he is there and being able to keep distance, and having time to back away, otherwise, the other 90% of the time, it's real bad news.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #33 on:** February 29, 2008, 10:54:11 AM »

so in the lower 48 ya shoot , shovel and shut up ?

Couger · « **Reply #34 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:58:38 PM »

Quote from: corbanzo on February 29, 2008, 10:50:22 AM

Brown bears don't run hunters off kills. If you are challenged by a brown bear, especially over food, you shoot it. There might be a 10% chance of you knowing he is there and being able to keep distance, and having time to back away, otherwise, the other 90% of the time, it's real bad news.

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My "mentioning" the big bears up there - notably Kodiak Isle where I first heard the problem existed regarding bully-bears threatening hunters - usually after blacktails or similar game, was only for the benefit of illustration ...... edited by moderator

In most simple terms, having a barrel insert that would allow a survivalist or depression-time hunter-scrounger to hunt more silently and help a person use a gun (instead of a bow or slingshot) without telling the whole countryside might be an advantage.

It certainly would for me.

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Besides seeing the benefit of using multi-caliber/cartridge adapters ...... I also entertain weird ideas like using different types of .22-rim-fire ammo for specific applications (Colibre and Super Colibre loads and CB Caps for close quiet shooting, CCI Stingers and Quik Shok's for use in a handgun when one has to resort to a .22LR for personal defense, and standard velocity or subsonic rounds for other 'quiet' applications - are only three examples).

In addition, since I reload its easy to make ammunition from cast-lead bullets if necessary, or other rounds sometimes called "squib" loads - very low powered rounds (like for in an '06, .270, .30-30, etc.) for possibly shooting dirt clods, or letting your 5y.o. shoot your deer gun, or knocking the head off of an opportunistic grouse for some camp meat, etc.

This is supposed to be a survival board, along with this topic. I thought being able to "survive" is often synonymous with being versatile and skillful enough to know how to use unconventional means and or skills in desperate or non-average times until times get better, or one can extricate himself from the "survival situation."

myronman3 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:53:20 AM »

alright guys, lets keep the p!$$!** contest out of this and keep the comments or dicussion positive. the last post was not too inflamitory, but i could see it headed that way. i want this board to remain constructive.

myronman3 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 07, 2008, 03:06:59 AM »

cougar makes some very valid points, and i agree with alot of what he says, especially the use of specialty 22lr ammo. that comes in really handy.
i believe corbanzo does indeed live in alaska and was offering his first hand knowlege. but i also think he is against these adapters; which is fine, he can make his own decisions on whether or not they work for his needs.
i think the emphisis here is on not what you would prefer, but whatever a person could find in a worse case scenario. it just wouldnt be practical to carry a gun in each caliber, but a pocket full of adapters is a different story.

Couger · « **Reply #37 on:** March 07, 2008, 07:58:01 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on March 07, 2008, 03:06:59 AM

cougar makes some very valid points, and i agree with alot of what he says, especially the use of specialty 22lr ammo. that comes in really handy.
i believe corbanzo does indeed live in alaska and was offering his first hand knowlege. but i also think he is against these adapters; which is fine, he can make his own decisions on whether or not they work for his needs.
i think the emphisis here is on not what you would prefer, but whatever a person could find in a worse case scenario. it just wouldnt be practical to carry a gun in each caliber, but a pocket full of adapters is a different story.

Good Myronman. I don't understand why I was getting such an attitude from Corbonzo, whether he likes adapters or not. Whether someone likes adapters or not was NOT the reason for this thread. Maybe some folks will tone down their "attitudes?"

I come to these threads/boards to learn, and sometimes to share.

myronman3 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 07, 2008, 08:49:39 AM »

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I don't understand why I was getting such an attitude from Corbonzo, whether he likes adapters or not.

i think they just dont suit his tastes or needs, which is totally fine. but there are some people whos needs are suited by adapters; which is the topic of dicussion.

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I come to these threads/boards to learn, and sometimes to share.

me too.

corbanzo · « **Reply #39 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:18:03 AM »

I don't mean to sound mouthy. I'm just saying how I've seen things. You are entirely entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Just be prepared in a discussion forum that any one piece of information you offer is subject to reply and perhaps rebuttal.

I still don't like adapters.

myronman3 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:23:44 AM »

i dont take it as mouthy at all. i got the sense that you didnt care for them and they are not something you think is worth the effort. you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #41 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:32:09 AM »

in a survival event there will be survivors that indeed see it as a bump in the road , with alot of knowledge and a few useful tools they will make it and maybe thrive . Then there will be the dead !
Some will see the adapter as a very special tool , no bigger than a pocket knife , cost effective and will include it in their kit .
others will see it as useless with nothing to offer !
My advice for those that have in the kit , GUARD IT FROM THOSE THAT DIDN"T GET ONE ! when SHTF they may change their mind !

corbanzo · « **Reply #42 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:40:27 AM »

Does the SHTF discussion always come up?

I guess so.

And just to educate myself, I took a look at some of those "good" drillings with actual rifle barrels. For between $10,000 and $20,000, you can keep it!

I think I would leave the adapter at home and bring some snare wire....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #43 on:** March 07, 2008, 11:01:55 AM »

had a 308 with a 30 carbine adapter in mind not a driller , they cost way to much and weigh to much to tote alot !
snare wire and fish line both are good . but if one is forced to keep moving the snare may prove troublesome .
I find a 22 with heal type bullets which suffer when exposed to moisture a less than great choice and feel the 30 carbine would fill in quite well as it would not require but one gun for it and the 308 .
I guess this will draw fire from 22 lovers , with plastic bags and other water proof ideas , but its still a known problem .
Corbanzo , not sure if you hate them or playing the Devil's advocate , But
i too respect your opinions either way , and with other tools you would equal or exceed the use of adapters MAYBE !
And any time I'm in a survival mode something hit the fan or something hit something it ought not have !

Couger · « **Reply #44 on:** March 08, 2008, 12:12:20 AM »

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Does the SHTF discussion always come up? I guess so.

Why shouldn't SHTF discussion be discussed? A 'SHTF' or 'EOTWAWKI' event (end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it) might be many things to different people ....., the Second Coming? A nuclear war? A tsunami? Or major earthquake?

Maybe a personal disaster might be one individual's SHTF scenario - if their boat sinks of the coast or private plane goes down ......

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I think I would leave the adapter at home and bring some snare wire....

No one ever said having some snares or skills to make simple traps wasn't a good idea, but if a person is on the move following a road or river away from disaster toward help, will they have the necessary time to set and check and recheck, and recheck several times snares and traps when they need to be moving? Esp if that's their only method to bag a bunny or mice or a bird? In that situation wouldn't other additional methods to collect game/food be an advantage?

Having a personal survival kit is one of the major themes of this 'survival board.' What if a person indeed had "snare materials" in the form of cordage, sewing [upholstery] thread or dedicated snare wire? But also several different kinds of specialized ammo and methods to better use a gun in an emergency? Wouldn't that further enable one to survive?

I haven't even touched on what devices or ammo is available for ONLY SIGNALING, too - whether purchased or made on the reloading bench.

mrloring · « **Reply #45 on:** May 16, 2008, 10:35:58 AM »

I have the perfect "survival rifle", no adapter needed. It is a NEF Survivor in .357 Magnum. I can shoot .357 magnum for deer and .38's for small game. Mine has a scope mounted but has open sights and the allen wrench is stored in the buttstock to remove the scope.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #46 on:** May 22, 2008, 09:44:25 AM »

IF you use a cartridge adapter, PRACTICE with it. It WILL hit in a very different place than the host chambering.

rzwieg · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2008, 12:18:10 AM »

Quote from: corbanzo on March 07, 2008, 10:18:03 AM

I don't mean to sound mouthy. I'm just saying how I've seen things. You are entirely entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Just be prepared in a discussion forum that any one piece of information you offer is subject to reply and perhaps rebuttal.

I still don't like adapters.

Have you really used them?

Couger · « **Reply #48 on:** September 14, 2008, 02:27:27 AM »

Quote from: SharonAnne on May 22, 2008, 09:44:25 AM

IF you use a cartridge adapter, PRACTICE with it. It WILL hit in a very different place than the host chambering.

Two things came to mind from your post SharonAnne;

1). Practicing is indeed a good thing, and there's no substitute for it!

2). By practicing and learning how a chamber insert or barrel adapter works (regarding accuracy), one
can "index" them so when it really becomes necessary to hunt small game or a grouse with your
.308 or .30/06, a fella can put the insert into the rifle and have a good indication where the bullet
will actually strike. Only way to know how to "index" accurately will be by trial and error -
not when using the device for the first time!

In addition; I'd also be practicing well ahead of time snaring / trapping and fire-making skills before a SHTF-disaster, as well.

I liked the suggestion above about hiding "unique tools" or such things as chamber adapters from those who don't or won't have them! That sounds prudent!

Drilling Man · « **Reply #49 on:** September 14, 2008, 03:22:09 AM »

Quote from: corbanzo on March 07, 2008, 10:40:27 AM

Does the SHTF discussion always come up? I guess so.

And just to educate myself, I took a look at some of those "good" drillings with actual rifle barrels. For between $10,000 and $20,000, you can keep it!

I think I would leave the adapter at home and bring some snare wire....

I'm wondering where you were looking at 10 and 20K drillings? If all drillings costed that much, i wouldn't have one either.

Adapters have there place, and when in the hands of someone who actually "knows what there doing", they work quite well.

BTW, when it comes to "this" subject, you need to educate yourself a lot more BEFORE you post... lol.

DM

pab1 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 14, 2008, 06:11:49 AM »

In a survival situation, anyone who has not eaten in a day or two would not pass up a chance to shoot a small game animal. Though larger game would be prefered, we all know there are times when for various reasons, its just not coming together on big game. You might risk spooking larger game, but you might wind up passing up your only chance at a meal for another day also. That squirrel, rabbit or grouse will keep you going until you have an opportunity at larger game. I have not used caliber adapters, but my Ruger Single Six .22lr is always on my belt in addition to whatever "big game" handgun I am using. I don't use the Single Six while hunting big game, but it is always there in case I need it.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #51 on:** September 14, 2008, 12:27:48 PM »

This is NOT intended to hijack the thread.

IF bears come running to a shot to steal a kill,would it not be the best way to hunt bear be to fire a shot and wait for the bear to come running?

myronman3 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2008, 01:03:09 PM »

works for me! but i think the danger of it is that they do it when you least expect them to. like so many other hazardous situations in life i suppose.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #53 on:** September 14, 2008, 02:19:05 PM »

Quote from: SharonAnne on September 14, 2008, 12:27:48 PM

This is NOT intended to hijack the thread.

IF bears come running to a shot to steal a kill,would it not be the best way to hunt bear be to fire a shot and wait for the bear to come running?

In my 25 years of hunting in the Alaskan bush, i can honestly say i NEVER had even one time, have a bear, brown or blk., come to a shot i fired! I won't say in couldn't happen, but in the zillions of kills i was in on, it never happen to me or anyone i hunted with.

Once again... mention bears on net, and peoples knee's start trembleing all over the place. Then those folks come up with all kinds on scenarios that get repeated over and over.

DM

Couger · « **Reply #54 on:** October 26, 2008, 12:30:35 AM »

Just now getting back to this thread (and board).

Never been to 'Palin Country.' Never even stepped foot in the 49th state.

So SharonAnne ...... "In all your 25 yrs" - I've got no beef with that! But it sounds like you're saying all the "bear stories" I heard (all the alaskan bear stories were about coastal brownies) are actually "who-wee?"

At this point I don't remember how the subject of Alaskan bears came up - compared to chamber inserts.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #55 on:** October 26, 2008, 01:07:54 AM »

um Cougar. Please re-read what I wrote. Nowhere will you find "in all my 25 yrs". Please keep it straight as to who you are criticizing. I have no problem defending what I say. Please make sure I said it.

bilmac · « **Reply #56 on:** October 26, 2008, 02:01:55 AM »

I wonder about using some of these more high intensity cartridges ( someone mentioned a 30-40) in a shotgun.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #57 on:** October 26, 2008, 04:18:54 AM »

um, Cougar, in YOUR reply #31 you said "I think of the big bears in Alaska that come a-running to the proverbial gunshot (dinner bell) and runs a hunter off his deer or other big game kill ..... ". THAT is where the mention of bears came from. So I repeat, why not fire a shot and wait for the bear to "come a-running"?

Spanky · « **Reply #58 on:** October 26, 2008, 06:09:17 AM »

I have a 38/357 adaptor for my 12 gauge shotgun.
It took some time to figure out where to index it so it hit where I was aiming.

Out to 25 yards or so it's alright but beyond that not very accurate.

It was only 20 bucks online so I guess it's OK for the money.

Spanky

teamnelson · « **Reply #59 on:** December 22, 2008, 03:25:35 PM »

I've got a .38/357 for 20ga, a .38/357 for 12ga, and a .44 Mag/spl adapter for 12ga. I keep them loaded in the ammo butt cuff simply as an option, next to the slugs and buckshot. Doesn't quite rack in the pump as smoothly as I like, so I keep them on the single or double.

Conceptually I like the adapter concept for scrounge survival. Ammo is better than gold, in any caliber.