tc encore accuracy?

[lonemeabuck]

JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

EIGHT WEEKS HAVE PAST AND I RECEIVED BOTH BARRELS BACK FROM TC (7MM MAG AND 243 WIN).

I AM VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT BOTH BARRELS ARE SHOOTING SUB-MOA WITH PRACTICALLY ANY FACTORY AMMO.

TC REPLACED BOTH BARRELS WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS.

I GUESS TC CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES LIVE UP TO ITS REPUTATION.

[Davemuzz]

 

[DLEB]

My experience was  exactly the same with the 7mm Mag bl. Horrible groups.......Sold it. I would love to use this rifle for varmints, but I don't have any faith after the 7mm troubles.......In fact, a friend of mine had the identical problems with his 7mm... For now, they are only muzzleloaders.

[Buckskins & Black Powder]

Order a Bargara barrel for it.

[nomosendero]

JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

EIGHT WEEKS HAVE PAST AND I RECEIVED BOTH BARRELS BACK FROM TC (7MM MAG AND 243 WIN).

I AM VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT BOTH BARRELS ARE SHOOTING SUB-MOA WITH PRACTICALLY ANY FACTORY AMMO.

TC REPLACED BOTH BARRELS WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS.

I GUESS TC CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES LIVE UP TO ITS REPUTATION.

I am glad it worked out so well!!

[pdh]

I bought the accruacy hindge pin from Eabco. It is not an over sized pin and will not void the warranty.

I have not tried it out yet as I had issues with my bullberry 243AI...and have a  30-06AI eabco accuarcy barrel coming at the end of the week.
Hope it is ok to post this link?

http://www.eabco.com/EncorePin.html

[Davemuzz]

Order a Bargara barrel for it.

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's!

Dave

[Keith L]

I bought the accruacy hindge pin from Eabco. It is not an over sized pin and will not void the warranty.

I have not tried it out yet as I had issues with my bullberry 243AI...and have a  30-06AI eabco accuarcy barrel coming at the end of the week.
Hope it is ok to post this link?

http://www.eabco.com/EncorePin.html

I don't have an Encore so I may be wrong about this, but if they are like my Contenders the locking pin is a solution to a non-problem.  A round pin in a round hole will rotate and change nothing.  And if you use your forearm on the gun it can't move enough side to side to cause trouble either.   What it will do perhaps is give you some confidence you don't have now, and that can make you shoot better.

Enjoy your Encore.

[Davemuzz]

I don't have an Encore so I may be wrong about this, but if they are like my Contenders the locking pin is a solution to a non-problem.  A round pin in a round hole will rotate and change nothing.  And if you use your forearm on the gun it can't move enough side to side to cause trouble either.   What it will do perhaps is give you some confidence you don't have now, and that can make you shoot better.

Enjoy your Encore.

That's probably the best summary of that pin that I have ever read.

Dave

[DeBois]

I was having the same problem with a Pro Hunter and a 7mm Rem Mag barrel.  I was getting 3.5" to 4" groups @ 100 yards.  Tried all different things to no avail.  Posted to this forum and Davemuzz responded with his corrective action.  I couldn't find any longer forearm screws and was going to order some from Brownell's when I came across this add in the "One Good Shot", The TC Collectors Association Quarterly publication.  Logged on to "strattoncustom.com" and read about the barrel hangers Steve makes.  I ordered one and when I received it, I realized the forearm had to be altered.  Sent the forearm to him and had him inlet it to the hanger.  I have only been able to get to the range once, but my groups shrank to about one inch for five shots.  What's nice is that as long as the barrel contour is the same, the forearm can be used on different barrels.  I just ordered another hanger for my 204 Ruger barrel and leave the hangers on the barrel.  I just didn't have the time to convert my forearm like Davemuzz, but if I had, I feel certain it would have worked as his did.  For some reason, the Pro Hunter is the only TC rifle that I have had these problems with.  My regular Encore barrels and Contender rifle barrels have all given me good accuracy.  By the way, Steve Stratton was formerly associated with Virgin Valley Arms which was the predesessor to Match Grade Machine.  Good luck and don't give up on your barrels!

DeBois 

[Davemuzz]

DeBois,

Time is such a precious commodity today. I'm glad you got your forarm issue worked out. It may have cost you a few bucks to go the MGM route, but when you don't have the time to mess with something, it's good to know that someone out there (MGM) has figured out "the fix" and you can get on with the things that are your priority.

Glad it worked out and good luck to you.

Dave

[nomosendero]

Order a Bargara barrel for it.

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's!

Dave

It might be logical to see what the Bargara does first & then choose the stake.

[R.W.Dale]

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's! Grin Grin Grin

 Please enlighten us as to the extent of your expertise with the Spanish made barrels?

 Cause surely you wouldn't run your mouth about something you have no firsthand experience with. As only a fool would behave in that manner

[Davemuzz]

Order a Bargara barrel for it.

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's!

Dave

It might be logical to see what the Bargara does first & then choose the stake.

Nomo,,

My response (to BigBlock) was one of sarcasm  as "logic" kind of went out the window when BigBlock suggested that Loanmea$ buy a Bargara AFTER Loanmea$ stated his factory T\C barrels were shooting MOA or better. So, if your factories are shooting that good, why buy a Bargara? For that matter, why even buy a higher priced custom barrel? For that matter, why even suggest it?

You see, that's why my answer was drenched with sarcasm.

Dave

[Davemuzz]

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's! Grin Grin Grin

 Please enlighten us as to the extent of your expertise with the Spanish made barrels?

 Cause surely you wouldn't run your mouth about something you have no firsthand experience with. As only a fool would behave in that manner

kroch man, I've made my position on this quite clear in another post. If you are unclear, you should read that post. If your not sure of the post, read all of the post until you find it. Then you will be enlightened....grasshopper.


Dave

[R.W.Dale]

kroch man, I've made my position on this quite clear in another post. If you are unclear, you should read that post. If your not sure of the post, read all of the post until you find it. Then you will be enlightened....grasshopper.

 So in other words NO you do not have any experience with them. Thanks for clearing that up.

[nomosendero]

Order a Bargara barrel for it.

Yeah, with the factory barrel's shooting sub-MOA with factory ammo, you can use the Bargara to hammer in your targets down range.....hold up your tomato's now that summer is in full swing....hold your cleaning rods until you really need them. There are a thousand uses for those Bargara's!

Dave

It might be logical to see what the Bargara does first & then choose the stake.

Nomo,,

My response (to BigBlock) was one of sarcasm  as "logic" kind of went out the window when BigBlock suggested that Loanmea$ buy a Bargara AFTER Loanmea$ stated his factory T\C barrels were shooting MOA or better. So, if your factories are shooting that good, why buy a Bargara? For that matter, why even buy a higher priced custom barrel? For that matter, why even suggest it?

You see, that's why my answer was drenched with sarcasm.

Dave

Ah, no other reason, that's nice. We can all use sarcasm can't we?

[Keith L]

Funny thing seems to be that there are so many opinions about these barrels but I have yet to see any real posting from anyone who has shot them yet.  Opinions seem to be based on the video on Bargera's web page.  Lets see how they shoot.

[Davemuzz]

My opinion had nothing to do with performance. Never has and never will. That would be your opinion.

Dave

[nomosendero]

Funny thing seems to be that there are so many opinions about these barrels but I have yet to see any real posting from anyone who has shot them yet.  Opinions seem to be based on the video on Bargera's web page.  Lets see how they shoot.

I am about 2 weeks from doing that. I agree, we have seen too many opinions concerning the BARGARA barrels. Alot of mouthing off by those
who have zero first hand experience, what else would it be but opinions. We shall see.

[Keith L]

My point was that people on both sides are sharing opinions without shooting them. 

For my money I can't see the need, and my previous experience with that company's garbage black powder guns makes me unlikely to trust them.  Yes, yes I know about expensive Spanish shotguns and Toledo swords.  But it will be interesting to see how these barrels work when new and in a couple of years.

[Davemuzz]

Alot of mouthing off by those
who have zero first hand experience, what else would it be but opinions. We shall see.

Still zero experience (untill another 2 weeks), still mouthing off. Still jumpin in to rabble rouse. Don't you get tired of this? I certainly get tired of reading it.

Dave

[nomosendero]

My point was that people on both sides are sharing opinions without shooting them. 

For my money I can't see the need, and my previous experience with that company's garbage black powder guns makes me unlikely to trust them.  Yes, yes I know about expensive Spanish shotguns and Toledo swords.  But it will be interesting to see how these barrels work when new and in a couple of years.

Well, not quite. Actually, those who have been so hard against these barrels are the ones who have been
spewing pure opinion. I value the actual findings & research of a few on this forum, a few that I feel have the knowledge & the ability to do meaningful research. Mac11700 & Ditchdigger are a couple of those people & they are currently using some Bargara barrels & their [/b] RESEARCH PLUS info on the barrels lead me to try the product. Soooo no, one side is just opinion, which is worthless to me & the other side is based on actual data, sorry.

And second, I am not aware of cheap Bargara muzzleloaders, tell us about it.

[Keith L]

Point me to where these experts have posted, and CVA, that says it all.

[nomosendero]

Point me to where these experts have posted, and CVA, that says it all.

Says it all about Bergara barrels, which makes barrels for the CVA & TC with the same standards for
both, wow what logic!!!

BTW, I will probably order a Bergara MZ tube for my Encore, the TC tube just doesn't do as it should.
I have sent it back once & they removed the burr at the QLA/rifling junction, but it still is not up to par. I may send it back again, haven't decided yet. 

Oh, & this just in!! Check out the thread by Krochus, 30-06 Bergara barrel range results. What was this about
just CVA ?  I have a funny feeling that the rifling in this barrel did not know which frame it was on.   

[Davemuzz]

Point me to where these experts have posted, and CVA, that says it all.

Says it all about Bergara barrels, which makes barrels for the CVA & TC with the same standards for
both, wow what logic!!!

BTW, I will probably order a Bergara MZ tube for my Encore, the TC tube just doesn't do as it should.
I have sent it back once & they removed the burr at the QLA/rifling junction, but it still is not up to par. I may send it back again, haven't decided yet.

Oh, & this just in!! Check out the thread by Krochus, 30-06 Bergara barrel range results. What was this about
just CVA ?  I have a funny feeling that the rifling in this barrel did not know which frame it was on.   

Keith,

If you notice, he never pointed you to anything.

Then he bla,bla,bla,bla on and on and on about what he is GOING to do. Not about what is has done or what he has. It's always about what some nebulous "someone else" (who we can't refer to...top secret stuff I guess) has done....and about his "funny feelings". Are these "touchy feely feelings"?

Dave

[nomosendero]

I offer much more than your goofy opinions, Dave. 

If we can not refer to the results by others, then why would anyone post results. You are presenting
an argument against showing data & I guess we should then only rely on silly opinions like yours, right?

Did you ignore the Encore/Bergara by Krochus? This is another example of opinion vs real data. Do you question his data & if so why? I refer to his data because I believe it.

Many range results with Bergara barrels are posted on the CVA Forum. It looks like Bergara threads will
be showing up here, your attitude will make it happen.

[Davemuzz]

 

[nomosendero]

For once we agree!!!
 

[kudzu]

Not Totally Nomo, you are 5 headed while Davemuzz is six headed !!!