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Offline Johm D M

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Match Hazard
« on: January 31, 2007, 10:07:58 AM »
To answer a question on a locked thread I think that there is a hazard with keeping strike any where matches in a container that allows them to move around. They are best kept where the container is full enough to allow no movement.

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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 02:47:27 AM »
Good point. Another is to store them in a canister that mice can not eat through.

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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 06:06:12 AM »
Upon rereading my post, I understand why the moderators have locked it but, I only used the portion that offends, to illustrate my point? Not to start a controversial topic on something illiegal. Sorry.
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 01:07:43 PM »
In the quanities you would be carring in a match case it probably wouldn't be an issue, to be on the safe side I keep mine full and put a piece of cotton on top to keep everything in place plus provide a little tinder if needed.  With that said, I think the risk of not being able to build a fire (I know there are other ways) far out weighs the risk of a possible unintentional ignition.

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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 05:45:00 PM »
It certainly would be a issue. In my original post, the amount was less than would be in a container, carried for survival? You'ld be likely to lose what ever part of your anatomy that it was close to?
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 09:28:33 AM »
Actually, the true amount of risk is really about zero.  Any container in which you keep your matches should be airtight, to keep away from moisture.  With this, no oxygen can enter the container, making it impossible for a fire to last more than a fraction of a second, oxygen, heat, fuel, and spark being the necessary components of fire.  It is true that if a fire were to start, even though it owuld last only a very short time, it would take away some of your supply of matches, but as long as you were carrying a good container, there should be no personal harm.
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 11:22:31 AM »
Actually, the amount of oxygen alreadey in the container, plus the match tips for fuel, are two of the three side of the triangle of fire. That combined with friction for ignition are a complete triangle. I didn't ask about fire? Rather the explosive posibility.
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 04:06:47 PM »
In the quanities you would be carring in a match case it probably wouldn't be an issue, to be on the safe side I keep mine full and put a piece of cotton on top to keep everything in place plus provide a little tinder if needed.  With that said, I think the risk of not being able to build a fire (I know there are other ways) far out weighs the risk of a possible unintentional ignition.

Sorry, but you evidently don't understand this problem? Don't know how else to put it?
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 11:48:10 AM »
SB I think it is possible for the matches in a water proof match case to ignite but the chances of doing this are I think very very small, in the event that they do I think most match cases are going to vent rather than explode which could result in burns but that is obviously not as severe as an explosion.  I tried to go back and read your original post but it has been deleted, if I remember right you were in effect building a rocket using depleted CO2 cylinders, this is a totally different situation, I once attended a training class where the instructors demonstrated the use of match heads as a replacement for gunpowder in a metalic cartridge but I don't think I want to try that one.  I would not worry about carrying matches in a waterproof case.  I think the risk is so small as to be insignificant compared to other risks you face in outdoor travel much less a survival situation.  I have never even heard of it happening or found any reference to it, not to say it hasn't but I would think if it had documentation would probably be fairly easy to find.

To kind of put it in perspective, I have been involved in incidents where people have been accidentally shot by others, accidentally shot themselves, fell into the fire and burned themselves, cut them selves severely with a knife, and axe, been injuried by venting camp stoves/lanterns, hit by falling rocks, trees, and limbs, struck by lightning, been attacked/injuried by wild/domestic animals, impaled themselves on all manner of objects, the list goes on and on.  Now before you think I am the unluckiest person alive, it is part of my job to deal with the many ways people find to hurt themselves and others in the great outdoors.  The point of this is there is a certain amount of risk associated with anything we do and we must weigh the risk verses the benefit and decide for ourselves, I have carried matches in waterproof cases for years over thousands of miles and have never had an incident but they sure have been handy a few times.  I think in this case the risk is worth the benefit but you will have to decide for yourself.  This might be a good one for the Mythbusters TV show.

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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 12:47:39 PM »
You, evidently, don't know a lot about explosives? When capped, it is not a vented container, just like mud packing. I was a licensed exposive handler in Illinois for several years, in the construction industry.
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 02:27:46 PM »
SB, you don't know what I do and don't know but that is irrelevant, why do you think they have an O ring or rubber gasket in the lid?  But anyway, if my biggest concern as to weather or not I survive a true survival situation is my match case exploding I have no concerns. You worry about whatever you want, you have obviously made up your mind about the subject so I don't know why you asked the question.  Good luck

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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 04:08:07 PM »
match case exploding I have no concerns. You worry about whatever you want, you have obviously made up your mind about the subject so I don't
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2007, 09:19:45 AM »
Im sure that match heads werent the kid of explosives you dealt with on your job.  Most explosives have all that they need to burn within the packaging, matches dont.  If the matches were to ignite, they would first create a vacuum, which would quickly consume the oxygen supply before the case could burst open.  im going to have to get some film canisters and test your theory...  which is wrong.  Im not an explosives expert, but ive played with fire plenty to know what happens.  Even with something as flamable as gas.  My idiot friend once poured white gas on a fire, and caught the can on fire, i grabbed it out of his hand, and put my hot dog bun over the opening, which put out the fire, no big explosions.  When you have these types of fuels, you need lots of oxygen.  Now stormproof matches are a different story, because they are designs to put off oxygen as they burn, which means they can burn underwater, etc.  These I do agree can cause a small explosion on a closed container, but not your basic household match.
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Re: Match Hazard
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2007, 10:31:01 AM »
i think all valid points have been covered here,  respect is sliding downhill fast.... so with no further ado...............