Ignition conversion

[roninboise]

Are there conversions for ML with 209 ignition to #11 or muscket caps?
Thanks
Ron in Boise
ronhbr@cableone.net

[quickdtoo]

Several rifle makes come with all 3 types of ignition, just a change of the breech plug is necessary, TC Black Diamonds and some CVAs to name a couple that I have that came that way.

Tim

[Busta]

Are there conversions for ML with 209 ignition to #11 or muscket caps?
Thanks
Ron in Boise
ronhbr@cableone.net

Ron,

I am sorry to hear of what your state is doing to all the inline hunters. Have they determined if it does infact have to be an OPEN to the elements ignition? If so, you would be severly limited in choices with a pivoting hammer inline. All the current break open inlines with a pivoting hammer are 209 only. I think you can still get the Marksbery (not a true inline) without 209 ignition. It does have a pivoting hammer though.

To answer your question, nobody that I am aware of makes a conversion that would meet the requirements for true inlines.

What type of rifle are you looking to convert?

Here are some rifles that may or may not qualify for Idaho?

http://www.markesbery.com/

http://www.kahnkegunworks.com/

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/default.aspx?item=news&news=pedersoli2&lang=en

[alsaqr]

"Several rifle makes come with all 3 types of ignition, just a change of the breech plug is necessary, TC Black Diamonds and some CVAs to name a couple that I have that came that way."



You are correct.  Have extra breech plugs for my CVA guns that will use either musket caps or #11 caps with a change of nipple.  The breech of  the CVA gun stays a lot cleaner when musket caps are used. 

[Keith Lewis]

The big problem occurs with rifles like the Omega and Encore and most of the break action rifles as the firing pin is not sufficient size to strike a cap with enough area to set it off even if a breechplug could be altered to work. Most of those rifles are also closed breech, which in itself makes them not legal in many states. A conversion could be made (as can almost anything) but for the few areas where it would be advantageous to do so it is not worth the effort so I don't expect to see any commercial attempts. A good machinist  could make it work but I suspect that the hammer spring would have to be beefed up also.

[quickdtoo]

Idaho's new reg, their site is down at the moment, this was posted recently on the Traditional forum.

Tim

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/hunt/misc/muzzle_rules.cfm

Muzzleloader Rules
Effective January 2007

Muzzleloader hunt rules require that weapons must:

* Use all-lead bullets at least within 10/1,000 (.010) of the bore diameter.
* Have open sights.
* Use only loose black powder or loose synthetic black powder.
* Have an exposed, pivoting hammer, either side-lock or in-line.
* Have an exposed ignition using only flint, musket caps or percussion caps.
* Be at least .45 caliber for deer, antelope or mountain lion.
* Be at least .50 caliber for elk, moose, bighorn sheep, mountain goat or black bear.

Muzzleloader weapons that don’t meet these restrictions may be used in 'short range weapon' and 'any weapon' season

[roninboise]

  I machined a new firing pin the correct size for Musket caps.
  Adapted a spring for the new firing pin.
  Removed the action bushing for the firing pin and bored it to match the new firing pin.
  Installed a 51# hammer spring.
  Drilled and tapped the breech plug to accept a Musket nipple.
  Drilled and tapped a hole in the top of the breech end of the ML barrel.(exposed to the elements)
  All these changes can be brought back to original condition by replacing the modified parts with      original equipment part. The hole in the barrel can be dealt with, with a threaded plug.

      I took it out and shot it. It works. It is an Encore ML that is legal for Idaho.

[sabotloader]

roninboise

  Adapted a spring for the new firing pin.   

Which spring? and how...

Can you get pictures of this conversion?