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Offline McLernon

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Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« on: February 05, 2007, 08:08:13 AM »
Severel rounds that I have loaded have the bullet at a slight angle with the case obviously stretched on one side and not at all on the other. Maybe I am not flaring them enough. Are they safe to fire. They are top Trapdoor loads for my Marlin. Any experience with this?

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Re: Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 08:52:34 AM »
Several thoughts, 1 have you loaded ammo in this die set/press before?  2 possibly not belling the case neck enough, 3 case mouths out of square,4 bullets too large in diameter in relation to case neck expander.  I once go a Lyman die set for .375 H&H that wouldn't seat a bullet straight no matter what.  I finally took the seat die apart, and you can visibly see the seater punch hole was drilled out of line with the rest of the die.  If you have used these dies on your press sucessfully before, you can throw out this idea.  Not belling the case enough can cause one edge of the bullet to tip on seating, and I once got a batch of .22 Hornet brass that had case necks so out of square that it was impossible to seat bullets straight.  In loading some 32-20's recently, I tried using .314" bullets, and got a bad, off sided bulge in the case neck.  I bought a .312" sizer for the bullets, and the bulge went away.  As far as shooting them, if they chamber, I would,  especially if this is a newer Marlin.  Good luck

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Re: Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 09:12:59 AM »
I used to a have that problem, the Lyman "M" die helped, but the best tool that I've found is using the Classic Lee Loader to insure the bullet is perfectly straight, set the the charged case in the base, slip the Lee Loader over the case, drop the bullet into the Loader, then seat it slightly with the Lee seater, then finish it in the regular seating die in the press. Cases come out with a perfectly even bulge all the way around, works with the .45-120 cases too! ;)

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Re: Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 10:14:47 AM »
Hi Quick:

Duh ::) ::) I like the sound of your second option but I don't understand what it is that you slip over the case to help with bullet alignment. I looked in the link but came up puzzled. Can you clarify. I want a Lee factory crimp die to so I am ready to go with this but Duh. If they chamber is it safe to fire these rounds?

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Re: Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 10:27:54 AM »
The Lee Classic Loader, I got my start in reloading with it, but it proved to have value even after I evolved to using a press and dies!! ;D The Beartooth link is down now as is their entire site, but the Handloading on a shoestring will show how it works.

Yes it's safe, but due to bullet runout, accuracy may suffer some since the bullet isn't starting out aligned with the bore perfectly, but with a bit of yaw!! :D

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Re: Problem Loading the 45-70--Help
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 11:53:49 AM »
Thanks for the help ;D ;D ;D

Mc