Author Topic: 7.62x39 Info (Read 2873 times)

prairiedog555 · « **on:** February 05, 2007, 12:58:08 PM »

I was thinking of adding a 7.62x39 barrell to my order when I send in my Survivor, along with a 22in .223 bull and a .50 blackpowder and a 12 ga turkey barrell.

what is the story on the 7.62x39? did I hear that H&R does not sell them anymore?
I know they do not reccomend mil surp ammo, but the new S&B, silver bear and the US manufactured ammo should be OK. Right? Or is all steel case ammo no good?

I have an SKS and like the round. It shoots much better with US ammo and a plastic stock, around 2"moa.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2007, 01:04:46 PM »

It's been discontinued completely, no longer available, but there is one available at Gunsamerica, see The Montanan's post down the page.

Tim

Fazak · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2007, 01:09:59 PM »

This may be an unpopular opinion with some,... but I can't see what all the excitement is about the 7.62X39 in a Handi. Surplus ammo in that caliber has become very scarce, and in any event, NEF recommends against the use of it in a Handi.

The 30-30 is ballistically superior, has a rimmed case and ammo is easy to locate.

I just don't see the need for the X39 in a Handi when the 30-30 is available.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2007, 01:14:11 PM »

I have to agree, but different strokes, ya know.

The same could be said for a lot of calibers, both available and not available in the NEF H&R lineup, the .45 Colt seems to me to be a useless caliber in a rifle when the .45-70 is available, but some folks are thrilled about it, so the more, the better, something for everyone.

Tim

PartsMan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:20:49 AM »

Less powder
Less noise
Less recoil
Spire point bullets in factory ammo

If balistics are all that matters then why not sust use a 300 ultra mag for everything.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:05:10 AM »

I handload for mine and useing 150 grain bullets its very good deer medicene, It shoots accuratelly and has very little recoil, The hunting shots around here are most always under a 100yrds so unless you just needmore ower its plenty, I have a .30-30 handie and a lever gun both shoot well also but for what I' doing the x39 is easier to use. I have a large varity of rifle calibers to choose from here from .22s to 7MM to .375 to .50cal, and lotsa inbetween, My .376 styer will stop a charging elephant (not that you see many of those here in Kentucky) but I find myself reaching for the lighter stuff most of the time. Or the .45-70.

mt3030 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:33:47 AM »

Quote from: Fazak on February 05, 2007, 01:09:59 PM

This may be an unpopular opinion with some,... but I can't see what all the excitement is about the 7.62X39 in a Handi. Surplus ammo in that caliber has become very scarce, and in any event, NEF recommends against the use of it in a Handi.

The 30-30 is ballistically superior, has a rimmed case and ammo is easy to locate.

I just don't see the need for the X39 in a Handi when the 30-30 is available.

Here we go again. (Do you have a brother named swampman?)

Tim- Thank you!!

skifastchad · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2007, 06:26:41 AM »

Quote from: Fazak on February 05, 2007, 01:09:59 PM

I just don't see the need for the X39 in a Handi

Not everyone has this situation, but it works great for hunting deer with a crop damage permit in an apple orchard surrounded by a peaceful residential neighborhood. A 7.62x39 loaded with a 220gr .308 nosler partition at 950 to 1000 fps will remove half of a deer's head at 30 yards and the neighbors never hear it. Its about as loud as popping a balloon.

The handi rifle works well for this purpose because the OAL of a 220grain in a 7.62x39 case is too long for the magazine in most other rifles. We have tried a CZ and a Ruger77, and both had to be loaded singleshot. The long bullets wouldn't fit in the magazine.

tallyho · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:51:52 AM »

Quote from: Fazak on February 05, 2007, 01:09:59 PM

I just don't see the need for the X39 in a Handi when the 30-30 is available.

Need ain't the issue here. Want is!

Antis and gun banners say we don't need guns at all. We don't need to defend ourselves. Nobody needs to hunt for food, it is easily available at a grocery store. We don't need __________ fill in the blank.

Nobody really needs a 7.62x39 Handi... or any Handi, in any caliber... or any gun for that matter...

To make this very simple, all you really need is air, water, food, and shelter. Everything else is some form of luxury... yes there will be statements like " I need my blood pressure medicine, or my insulin, or my glasses, or whatever." And those things may legitimately and customarily be put in the need category, but other than things for direct maintenance of life, there are no other clear cut needs. (And please, it ain't necessary to branch off and start discussing that having a firearm is necessary for the direct maintenance of life - it is and it isn't - depending on specific and occuring circumstances; and that is for another thread)

There is definitely no clear cut need in the style and caliber of a shootin' iron! There are varying degrees of want in this area, but no actual need. Trust me I have thought long and hard about this sort of thing... and sometimes my brain hurts because of it...

So those of you who see no need for certain things (like 7.62x39 Handis) are absolutely right - there is no need - and though you have every right to your opinion, could you maybe phrase it in such a way that it doesn't come across sounding like an attack of superiority, or arrogance?

How about phrasing it in language such as: "I am truly puzzled by the interest some people have over the aquisition of a Handi rifle or barrel in the 7.62x39 caliber. My own Handi is in 30/30 Winchester caliber, and find it quite adequate for any purpose that I am able to find for which a x39 might be used. Since I am open minded and curious, is there someone on the forum who could provide me with their own reasoning for wanting one in 7.62x39? I would greatly appreciate learning more about this subject."

On the other hand, maybe you are the kind of person who just has a need to simply be honest and blunt and say stuff straight without any decoration. If so be aware that you may or may not get the responses you want from others.

Any who feel the need or simply want to respond, please click the reply button ... and please, Have a Nice Day

Y'all

Cheers
Kerry

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2007, 09:31:59 AM »

Very well stated, Kerry!!

BTW, thanks for reminding me, I need to take my before meal meds before I can eat lunch!!!

Tim

mt3030 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2007, 10:08:31 AM »

Quote from: tallyho on February 06, 2007, 07:51:52 AM

Quote from: Fazak on February 05, 2007, 01:09:59 PM

I just don't see the need for the X39 in a Handi when the 30-30 is available.

Need ain't the issue here. Want is!

Antis and gun banners say we don't need guns at all. We don't need to defend ourselves. Nobody needs to hunt for food, it is easily available at a grocery store. We don't need __________ fill in the blank.

Nobody really needs a 7.62x39 Handi... or any Handi, in any caliber... or any gun for that matter...

To make this very simple, all you really need is air, water, food, and shelter. Everything else is some form of luxury... yes there will be statements like " I need my blood pressure medicine, or my insulin, or my glasses, or whatever." And those things may legitimately and customarily be put in the need category, but other than things for direct maintenance of life, there are no other clear cut needs. (And please, it ain't necessary to branch off and start discussing that having a firearm is necessary for the direct maintenance of life - it is and it isn't - depending on specific and occuring circumstances; and that is for another thread)

There is definitely no clear cut need in the style and caliber of a shootin' iron! There are varying degrees of want in this area, but no actual need. Trust me I have thought long and hard about this sort of thing... and sometimes my brain hurts because of it...

So those of you who see no need for certain things (like 7.62x39 Handis) are absolutely right - there is no need - and though you have every right to your opinion, could you maybe phrase it in such a way that it doesn't come across sounding like an attack of superiority, or arrogance?

How about phrasing it in language such as: "I am truly puzzled by the interest some people have over the aquisition of a Handi rifle or barrel in the 7.62x39 caliber. My own Handi is in 30/30 Winchester caliber, and find it quite adequate for any purpose that I am able to find for which a x39 might be used. Since I am open minded and curious, is there someone on the forum who could provide me with their own reasoning for wanting one in 7.62x39? I would greatly appreciate learning more about this subject."

On the other hand, maybe you are the kind of person who just has a need to simply be honest and blunt and say stuff straight without any decoration. If so be aware that you may or may not get the responses you want from others.

Any who feel the need or simply want to respond, please click the reply button ... and please, Have a Nice Day Y'all

Cheers
Kerry

Da(x)n, Kerry, I really "needed" to see an in-depth response like yours. I hope you don't mind it I copy/save that for the next time it is "needed". I know you would be willing to meet the "need" again, but you might be on vacation or something, and someone might really "need" to see this again. And I'm afraid I'm the sort that will "want" to it give to them!

Again, thank you!

tallyho · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:37:01 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 06, 2007, 09:31:59 AM

Very well stated, Kerry!! BTW, thanks for reminding me, I need to take my before meal meds before I can eat lunch!!!

Tim

Does that mean I saved your life Tim? If so, I want to be included in your will for a couple of Handis.

I'll let you know later which ones.

Wally, just do whatever you need to do with this.

I just want everybody to be happy.

Cheers
Kerry

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:43:12 AM »

Naw, just made it so I could eat lunch sooner, gotta wait an hour after the med....and I was already real hungry!!

Marv's in the will ahead of ya, so you'll have ta stand in line!!

Fazak · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:50:20 AM »

No rim,... not enough neck,.. limited versatility.

The X39 fills it's role well as a mid range cartridge for select fire battle carbines, but it sucks in a Handi.

Anything the X39 can do can be duplicated by the 30-30 and then some,... and you're not limited to those oddball .311-.312" .30 caliber bullets.

tallyho · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »

Quote from: Fazak on February 06, 2007, 11:50:20 AM

No rim,... not enough neck,.. limited versatility.

The X39 fills it's role well as a mid range cartridge for select fire battle carbines, but it stinks in a Handi.

Anything the X39 can do can be duplicated by the 30-30 and then some,... and you're not limited to those oddball .311-.312" .30 caliber bullets.

Fazak, all you say can be considered absolutely correct, (other than "it stinks in a Handi" - if you said "For me it stinks in a Handi" you'd be more accurate, and sound less righteous

) ... and really has nothing to do with why anyone else might want a 7.62x39 Handi. They want it because they want it. Nothing complicated about that.

If somebody asked, "Would you recommend the 7.62x39 over the 30/30?" then its fair game to make the comments you are making. However, in reading the original posting by prairiedog555 I didn't get that he was asking for a comparison. When you read it again, you may notice the understandable reason for him (and who else matters?) to have a x39 in a Handi.. I quote "I have an SKS and like the round." What else is needs to be said?

Nobody has disagreed with the facts you present about each caliber, and nobody is arguing with you. It just comes up when somebody says they are interested in a 7.62x39 Handi you say they "stink". Whose actual business is it why someone wants a 7.62x39?

I personally have no particular interest in a Handi, or any other rifle in 22-250, or .270, or .35 Whelen (unless I could get one for a steal of a deal

) but there are a bunch of folks here who love 'em. I have a 30/30 and a 357 Max, and some guys just yawn at the idea of one of those... so what?

Nobody has put down my calibers, and I have not put down theirs. What's the point?

As quickdtoo said in his earlier post "... the more, the better, something for everyone."

'Nuff said.

Fazak · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:48:15 PM »

I'm a civic minded individual,.... and I consider it my civic duty to inform the world of the stinkyness of the 7.62X39.

tallyho · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:58:50 PM »

Ahh.. a civic duty is it...now I understand.

Well then, you won't mind if I do what I often do ... Usually when I encounter civic minded citizens, I politely close my door on them, and head for the reloading bench...

Fazak · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:47:03 PM »

Quote from: tallyho on February 06, 2007, 12:58:50 PM

Usually when I encounter civic minded citizens, I politely close my door on them, and head for the reloading bench...

You make it sound like having disdain for the X39 is tantamount to being a Jehova's Witness or something.

tallyho · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:57:24 PM »

Having distain ain't the thing, it's the civic mindedness that gets to me...

Bye the way, is the picture of somebody significant to you? Kinda looks like a picture my dad has of my granddad.

Fazak · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:02:57 PM »

Quote from: tallyho on February 06, 2007, 01:57:24 PM

Bye the way, is the picture of somebody significant to you? Kinda looks like a picture my dad has of my granddad.

It's a picture of my great grandfather,... taken about the turn of the century.

tallyho · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:44:36 PM »

I never actually met my grandfather, he died before I was born, but your picture reminded me of the picture my dad has.

Thanks.

Datil · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:04:55 PM »

Hello Tallyho, You made some very good comments, it's all in Wants!
I got the handi that I wanted, in a caliber very few people would want.
Had to have it rebored and chambered. Cost me a pretty penny,, my
money my wants

Marv.

tallyho · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:20:52 PM »

Quote from: Datil on February 06, 2007, 03:04:55 PM

Hello Tallyho, You made some very good comments, it's all in Wants!
I got the handi that I wanted, in a caliber very few people would want.
Had to have it rebored and chambered. Cost me a pretty penny,, my
money my wants Marv.

Yup, that's what these toys are all about Marv.

mt3030 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:36:18 PM »

Quote from: Fazak on February 06, 2007, 12:48:15 PM

I'm a civic minded individual,.... and I consider it my civic duty to inform the world of the stinkyness of the 7.62X39.

Again I ask you, are you sure you don't have a brother named swampman?

mt3030 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:02:22 PM »

You make it sound like having disdain for the X39 is tantamount to being a Jehova's Witness or something.
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O.K. Now I know you are not related to him. Swamp and I have had interesting exchanges before, but he has never came across as an insensitive jerk. Leave insulting comments about religion off Greybeards.

(Edited by poster upon reflection.)

Fazak · « **Reply #25 on:** February 07, 2007, 10:22:59 AM »

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You make it sound like having disdain for the X39 is tantamount to being a Jehova's Witness or something.

O.K. Now I know you are not related to him. Swamp and I have had interesting exchanges before, but he has never came across as an insensitive jerk. Leave insulting comments about religion off Greybeards.

(Edited by poster upon reflection.)
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Well,.... I'm glad we got THAT cleared up.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 07, 2007, 10:35:10 AM »

Time to take a step back guys before this gets out of hand and we end up with hard feelings .

stimpy

quickdtoo · « **Reply #27 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:22:18 AM »

What stimpy said, please!!

Tim

myarmor · « **Reply #28 on:** February 07, 2007, 06:57:22 PM »

Ok.... $:-\$ ....... well back to the topic... I personally happen to like the 7.62x39.
I suppose it's just novelty, but I like it. It's just one of those fun calibers.
Do we all need a 45Colt, 444Marlin, 500 S&W, or 450 Marlin when the Ol' 45-70 is still an alternitive? Not really, but many here just plan like them or want them.
I just recently purchased a 7.62 and plan on doing some good handloading for it as soon as the weather breaks, and I believe it will be promising. Too me and many others that ended up with one, we don't need it to shoot Mil.Surplus ammo because for one it's not as cheap as it once was and it also is plenty of fun in it's original config. in an SKS or AK.
I believe there is potiential in the little Russian in a single shot with good handloads...
Once the weather breaks I will be reporting on mine.

-Aaron

Daniel Laws · « **Reply #29 on:** February 08, 2007, 01:03:44 AM »

I happen to really like my 7.62. Heavy for caliber cast bullets, plus small doses of Unique. Adds up to the poor boys 300 Whisper. I'm still developing what it likes best, but early trials look promising. As for the surplus stuff, I just use the SKS. No need to risk gumming up the handi when I can load cast for the same price or less, without all that noise.