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pet loads for 44 mag
« on: February 07, 2007, 08:44:53 PM »
looking for pet loads for 44 mag .  I have all the data for the 20 some odd grain of H-110/296. I plan on shooting 255 grain WFN BP.  I don't need these bullets to be smokin'.  Just wondering if anybody has had any luck with certain powder/loads/primers with these or similar bullets. Just need a good whitetail load.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 12:18:37 AM »
every gun is different best thing is to get a good loading manual and follow some of there loads using the primers they recomend. Any loading data for a jacketed bullet of the same weight can be used.
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 03:10:02 AM »
That's about the answer I expected to hear.  I am not by any means new to reloading and I have reloading manuals.  I was just wondering if there was any particular load that somebody may have found to be a good accurate load. 

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 08:34:44 AM »
I've had excellent accuracy and performance with a 268gr GCc Lyman Devastator pushing  it with L'ilGun in my 7 1/2" OMRSBH.  I'd give more particulars but seems like there was a restriction on this forum in regard to posting powder charges for particularl loads.  Not sure on that score.  Maybe someone know for certain. 
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 09:56:09 AM »
If yours is of the Ruger/TC/Freedom Arms variety of strong actions then AA#5, or Alliant Unique, with Winchester WLP primers will give you excellent results if the gun is in good shape. Powders with this rate of burn should give 1200-1300 fps with no strain.  Accurate Arms website has start data for it. Hornady's manual says start with 9.5g of Unique for 240g XTP. 

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2007, 10:32:38 AM »
Well since you don't want the "smokin'" H110 load; I find 9 gr of Unique to be a very fine and accurate load with a cast 429421 (Keith) out of my 4" Anaconda and out of my Ruger FT with 6 1/2" barrel. Velocity is 990 fps out of the Anaconda and 1050 out of the Ruger. I have killed black tail and mule deer with this bullet at that velocity and it does fine with the caveat it is put into the heart/lung area.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 05:53:13 AM »
That's about the answer I expected to hear.  I am not by any means new to reloading and I have reloading manuals.  I was just wondering if there was any particular load that somebody may have found to be a good accurate load. 

Well first off Lloyd isn't trying to be funny, arrogant, or sarcastic.  And as you say, you are not new to reloading you should know that ever gun is different and if I give you my favorite load that is great for my gun, what makes you think it will work great in yours?  I spend quite some time working up test loads for my guns.  And that means if I work up one load for one .44 it will not shoot the same in another of my .44's. 

So I suggest that you get started working up your test loads for your gun and have fun shooting them.  You see, I consider this all part of the reloading process.  Plus I really enjoy this part of the that process.  Hopefully you will too.       ;)
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007, 12:55:19 PM »
1895m,
You'll probably find some good loads to start with at this location:
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/

And some good agreeable input from the forum section there too if you inquire.   
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007, 12:19:56 AM »
Larrys right i wasnt trying to be ingnorant in anyway. Its just that unless your happy with 3 inch loads at 25 yards the only way your going to find out is to shoot. Advice on what powders work at what velocities and which primers work with certain powders and even which bullets  seem to give better accuracy overall are one thing but to get it down to a specific load is about imposssible. When i started handgunning i jumped right into big guns and big loads and to be honest was a little leary of them. I was constantly bugging my buddy for load data and even had him working up loads for my guns. Now he is my best freind and he even had enough of it. He told me the only way im going to learn to shoot is to SHOOT and some of the best trigger control practice you can get is sitting on a bench and working up loads. Now im just the oposlte. Im kind of obsessed with finding the best load for  a gun. Its nothing for me to go to the range with 3 guns and 500 rounds of ammo in 12 round baggies and shoot it all in one day looking for a majic load.  It goes right into my casting as i about cant pass a mold up thinking maybe this is the majic one and the same with powders. I could never be happy just trying one or two powders with a bullet or sticking with one primer. Then once you find the perfect load you find another mold and it starts all over again. Its a crappy job but someone has to do it ;D
That's about the answer I expected to hear.  I am not by any means new to reloading and I have reloading manuals.  I was just wondering if there was any particular load that somebody may have found to be a good accurate load. 

Well first off Lloyd isn't trying to be funny, arrogant, or sarcastic.  And as you say, you are not new to reloading you should know that ever gun is different and if I give you my favorite load that is great for my gun, what makes you think it will work great in yours?  I spend quite some time working up test loads for my guns.  And that means if I work up one load for one .44 it will not shoot the same in another of my .44's. 

So I suggest that you get started working up your test loads for your gun and have fun shooting them.  You see, I consider this all part of the reloading process.  Plus I really enjoy this part of the that process.  Hopefully you will too.       ;)
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 02:03:50 AM »
Lloyd Smale and Lawful Larry are right. All guns shoot differently. I always work up loads for each gun I own. What shoots good in one of my guns might not shoot the same in another. It is just the nature of the beast.

There is not easy answer to your question except load development. That is half the fun of a new gun, finding what works best.

But here is a load I use in my 44 Mags when I had them that worked well in my Super Redhawk. 17.5 gr. of A2400 with a 300 gr. hard cast gas check bullet.
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2007, 02:09:52 AM »
                                                  I'm the same way. I found that with all my different handguns, Unique, AA#5, and IMR trailboss for fun loads, with cheap Rem brass and plain CCI300 primers, they all will shoot inside .75", @50yds, off a bench, with open sights. I always started low and worked up to the "efficiency window" of the powder for each gun using a "chrony"graph. I use gas checked bullets and definately recommend them as it makes life a little easier when going for accuracy.
All of these powders are very uniform and seem to be "made" for lead bullets. Deviation no more than 10fps+/-, .75" groups,
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 03:56:20 PM »
I think you all were taking my response the wrong way.  Everybody has a favorite load that they like to use.  A tried and true load for them so to speak.  I was just wondering if anyone had one that they would like to share.  Sort of a starting point since I have never loaded cast before.  I only get to get out to the range maybe once every couple of months, so I wanted to load several different rounds to try out and go from there.  I wasn't trying to be a smart A%$ or anything like that.  THis is by far the best forum  have come across.    So if I offended anybody, I am sorry.  I was just trying to find out if anyone had any favorite loads that I could use as a starting point.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 09:43:17 PM »
Heres one 10.2gr Universal Clays and a hardcast 240gr swc. This shoots well in my Rugers and I'd guess its going around 1150-1200fps. I dont really have favorite loads I just use whatever I have on hand. I've tried the whole technical reloading thing but found it to be a waste of time. I can have a load that shoots one hole and it'll shoot like crap the next day if I dont feel good or the suns in my eyes. At the same time I'll have what I believe to be a terrible load and it will shoot great a month later. Testing from the bench is pointless for me also since I can only hold a six inch group at 25yards so whats a quarter inch better going to do?  There really arent many bad loads out there and in my experience the best and worst are usually less than an inch apart. And besides are you not going to go hunting if you dont have youre favorite load?

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 12:34:36 AM »
1895M:  I like one of the loads Sheriff Jim Wilson uses in his 44 magnums.  I like the 295-300 gn cast semiwadcutter over somewherer twixt 19 and 20 grains of H110.  In my 4" S&W they shoot a good group (better'n I can shoot - lololol).  I have also used some of the Beartooth Bullets loadings for my 44 mags and they also shoot accurately.  I prefer the heavier bullets for penetration.  I have no doubts that my heavy loads are (most likely) not crackin' the sound barrier when they leave the tube but they sure hit hard.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 02:10:53 AM »
Hey Bill,
I don't think you have to worry about offending anyone on this board.  We are pretty tuff skinned. 

As far as pet loads or favorite loads, I like to use the middle of the road approach.  I don't like to load up to the maximum side because I like my guns and don't like to over stress them.  I also don't like to under load my shells because I don't want to hurt myself.  So I usually start at the middle of the suggested recipes of my favorite load manual.  I will load up five loads of three rounds each in .5 grain increments.  I use a chronograph in my tests and use the data collected from it and also the targets shot and usually they compliment themselves and confirm my selection.  It takes time and it is time I have fun doing. 

If as you say you don't have that time on your hands, I would check out the Sierra manual.  They have recommendations for most accurate and best hunting rounds for each bullet loads they test.  They are propably the most reliable group that posts reloading data out there.  They propably maintain the strictist protocols in testing of all the bullet companies.

Just remember, don't believe anything you read on the internet, unless you know it to be true yourself.  I have first hand experience in wrong and dangerous data.  I was looking for data on a wildcat round the .375 JDJ years back.  I searched the internet only because there was no published data out there at the time by the major bullet or powder companies.  There is now and it should be no problem for others today.  I my case I was under loading my rounds and didn't find out until I emailed SKS and JD Jones helped me with the right data.  I didn't hurt myself, but I could have.  This is why I like to wave the safety flag whenever I can. 

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2007, 01:20:50 PM »
I have SW Mountain Revolver, 4" bbl and pretty lite.  I tried a good hunting load, 21gr H110 / 300gr Horn xtp....ouch......

So I have a box of rainier(sp?) plated 240gr HPs and use 12gr unique for target.  I'm going to work up some 1000fps loads with 300gr XTPs for the gun as a back up and finishing shot load I think.
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2007, 08:06:03 AM »
240grain hard cast hollow point with 9.1 grains of Unique.  I shoot it in my 629 mountain gun and it is a very comfortable recoil/blast.  I shot a doe with that load at 38 yards this year through both lungs and she went about 35 yards and dropped.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 06:09:48 PM »
Lloyd Smale and Lawful Larry are right. All guns shoot differently. I always work up loads for each gun I own. What shoots good in one of my guns might not shoot the same in another. It is just the nature of the beast.

There is not easy answer to your question except load development. That is half the fun of a new gun, finding what works best.

But here is a load I use in my 44 Mags when I had them that worked well in my Super Redhawk. 17.5 gr. of A2400 with a 300 gr. hard cast gas check bullet.

Redhawk1, did you ever clock that load to see what the velocity was?
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 02:04:50 AM »
again i wasnt trying to be sarcastic in the least ammount. If a guy has one gun he may be able to give you its favorite load but theres a problem with that to. Alot of those loads were just given to them by another guy and they have no real clue as to whether they are great loads in that gun or not.

What is your accuracy standard. Is the guy giving that load to you happy if he can hit a coffee can at 25 yards off hand or does he demand 1 inch groups. 

Yes i have some favorite 44 mag loads. I shoot the 44 mag more then all my other guns cobined and usually have 5-10 of them in the safe at any time. Problem is the favorite loads are gun specific. Every single one of my guns has a different load it likes best and i found that out with many days on the range with everyone of them.  sure i could probbly look through all my loading data and come up with a bullet and powder combo that has worked fair in all of them but id about bet its not goiing to give you one inch groups at 25 yards.

If you were a bullet caster i might be able to help you a little more as i do have some opionions on a few bullets that tend to outshoot the rest. Bringing me to another thought and again i dont mean to be critical but you are starting with about the most difficult bullet to get to shoot well a wfn. Then on top of it you dont want to push it hard and in my experience your going to fight alot to get really good accuracy out of the wfn even at short range with lighter loads.  I hope you can call me a bser when its done because some guys just get lucky and a certain bullet will do things in a certain gun that is a bit odd but my experiences with wfns arent that good and are terrible at low velocity.

But then again keep in mind that im looking for one inch groups not minute of beer can. Now if your stuck on that bullet design and dont want to try a good lfn or swc ill give you a few short cuts without giveing you speiific loads that might get your gun shooting well at least out to 50 yards with a wfn. First you are going to want to get that bullet up to at least 1100 fps out of your gun more will probably be better. At those speeds I would stay away from the faster powders and probably stay away from the real slow ones as the slow ones can  be hard to get good constant ignition and burning at lower pressures.

I would go with a powder like 2400 or aa9 to start with. I would use a std primer with 2400 and a 350 cci with the aa9 as it too needs a little more spark if you are loading at lower pressures. If you get this bullet up to 1100 fps in the 44 mag case your probably going to be at enough pressure where the 350s can be replaced by any std primer. Even the 2400 might do a tad better with a ww primer which is a little hotter then a standard.  Like i said im not a fan of wfns. I do have some molds and even have some guns that there best load is with a wfn but i just hate that because i know im compromizing my accuracy somewhere along the way. whether it be at 50 yards a 100 yards or 500 yards. 

If all your looking at is rolling beer cans or maybe shooting a whitetail at 25 yards there probably an excellient bullet but i cant see usiing them where theres bullets that will do that just as well and are less finiky to load and hold there accuracy out to long range.
I think you all were taking my response the wrong way.  Everybody has a favorite load that they like to use.  A tried and true load for them so to speak.  I was just wondering if anyone had one that they would like to share.  Sort of a starting point since I have never loaded cast before.  I only get to get out to the range maybe once every couple of months, so I wanted to load several different rounds to try out and go from there.  I wasn't trying to be a smart A%$ or anything like that.  THis is by far the best forum  have come across.    So if I offended anybody, I am sorry.  I was just trying to find out if anyone had any favorite loads that I could use as a starting point.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 07:16:27 AM »
with my standard ruger SBH I always like 9 to 10 grains of unique and semi wadcutter 240 grain cast bullets, easy to shoot and plenty accurate for close range, which is all I ever shot ... I shot a ton of those all the time years ago.... The wide flat nosed bullets don't get good press here, and I am not the handgunner the other folks here are...
the wadcutter or keith designs are the best I have experience with in the 44 for cast...  I tried other powders, but did not see a difference in my one gun's performance when that was the only thing I changed...
that was my pet load in  19 hundred and 74 ...
your mileage will almost certainly vary... my gun was a 7.5 inch and I shot out to 60 70 yards at most, and a whole lot at 20 to 40 at sticks and acorns and squirrels etc.. anything that could be shot... lots of cow pies died to that load ... splattered those puppies to bits... \\
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 08:18:36 AM »
Generally speaking I use darn few different loads for the .44 Magnum. I am by nature a very lazy sort who just really doesn't like to mess around forever looking for the one ultimate load for a handgun. My eyes are so poor at seeing up close that I really can't take advantage of a one inch at 25 yard load anyway if using iron sights. Which is one reason I like to work up a load using a scope and then go back to irons to take it to the woods as I hate and despise scoped revolvers really.

If the bullet weights 240 grains or there about I use 24 grains of H110 or W296 for my hunting load almost 100% of the time regardless of whether it's jacketed or cast. If I want a lighter load for reduced recoil then I go to 17.5 grains of 2400.

If the bullet weights around 270-280 grains I use 22.5 grains of H110/W296.

If the bullet weights 300 grains it really depends then on how much bullet is in the case. For the Hornady 300 XTP where you have two cannelures I crimp in the lower one to have less bullet in the case and use 20.5-21.0 grains of H110/W296. If it doesn't have two cannelures or crimp grooves and more of it goes into the case than with the above I drop that load back to 19.5 grains of H110/W296.

I've found that those loads either work well in my many .44 magnums or I need to swap to another bullet for that gun. My chosen powder for max performance is H110/W296 and it's just not one you play around with how much of it to use really. Most all manuals give you a single load with it rather than a wide range of loads like with most powders and they tell you never to drop below that number. I pay attention to that warning.

Now with 2400 that stuff is very versatile and you can load well below the book minimum in my experience with no ill effects so if I want a lighter load I go to it and drop it down to where I'm satisfied with the combination of accuracy and recoil. That's how I came about the 17-17.5 grains of it for 240s especially with cast bullets. That seems to be the sweet spot for accuracy and is mild on recoil but still has plenty of punch to take game.

I do play around at times with loads when I get a new .44 magnum gun but really I still find those same loads that have become my standard loads work about as well as anything I can come up with. For a gun that is to stay scoped I can some times tell enough difference to tailor a load to it but if I'm gonna pull that scope back off I lose the effectiveness of that extra accuracy as my eyes just don't see the sights well enough to take advantage of it.


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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 08:50:19 AM »
I am gonna try some 2400... keep hearing good stuff about it... for medium loadings... I just get kind of lazy too and get a lot of unique and then ...........  it just happens... over and over..
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 05:19:19 PM »
In my Taurus 4 inch 44 Magnum I like a 250 Sierra FPJ loaded with 20.5 grains of 2400. A load right out of the Sierra manual.

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 02:34:33 AM »
I have 2 44s, one is a Dan Wesson with an 8 inch bbl.  This is the most accurate handgun I have ever seen...period.  The other is a S&W 44 Mnt gun that I had to send back to Smith because the barrel was severly restricted where it screws into the frame.  I'll know what it prefers when it gets back.

My favorite load in my Dan Wesson is the RCBS 44-250K loaded over 10 grains f Unique.  Produces 1 jagged hole at 25 yards.  This load was very comfortable in my Mnt Gun, but the bbl was flawed, so it wouldn't shoot anything well.

I'm looking forward to trying this load in my Mnt Gun when it gets back.
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 02:49:12 AM »
Cayoot, how did you determine your barrel was restricted at the frame/barrel threads? I've heard rumors of this problem with the new crush fit barrels but, this is the first actual time.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2007, 03:01:20 AM »
I was having so much trouble with accuracy that I finally decided to slug the bbl and cylinders.  I wanted to know if the cyl was swagging the bullets down smaller than the bbl.

Well, I started a pure lead slug (lubed with some break-free CPL) down the bbl.  It went easy enough for the first 2 1/2 to 3 inches (resistance was about the same as with any bbl slugging), but when I got to the last inch and a half resistance built up real fast.  In fact, I broke my rose wood mallet trying to get the slug through the last inch.

I had to resort to a regular (steel) hammer.  When the bullet finally came out the forcing cone, it measured .424-425.  It should have been .429 to .430.

I purchased this gun from a guy on one of the forums (S&W Forum).  I'm thinking that this is why he sold it to me.

I called Smith & Wesson and gave them the same information that I just gave you.  I told them that I thought the barrel was constricted where it screws into the frame.

The gentleman from the service center emailed me a pre-paid UPS shipping label and asked me to ship it to them.

Can't ask for better service than that!

So I'm happy with the deal so far, because S&W was so good about taking the gun to the repair shop on their tab.

Hope this answers your question.
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2007, 03:31:43 AM »
I suppose that's one of the many problems with buying over the Internet? What's perfect to a lot of sellers, isn't to the buyers but, they never get any cheaper. Too many investors dealing guns, today. I have an older stainless M/G that I'm very fond of . Hope all come out OK for you with this gun? Steve
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2007, 04:32:24 AM »
Thanks Steve,

I just sent it into S&W last week.  So I'm expecting it to be a few weeks before I get it back for testing.  However, I have faith that Smith & Wesson will fix it.

Bary
Thanks from the Frozen Northwoods!!!

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” – John 3:16

That still amazes me…I don’t care who you are or how much I care about you, I would never let you kill my son.  I can’t even begin to understand how much He loves us.

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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2007, 09:42:35 AM »
Hope it all turns out well for you bary!
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Re: pet loads for 44 mag
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2007, 10:36:11 AM »
1895M:   Ha!  You sly devil you - ya'll never told us whatcha wanna shoot'm in.  Ya almost had me fooled for a couple of hours (er, days) there. 

My S&W Mountain Gun prefers a .429 bullet of almost any weight and I have great accuracy (for me anyhow)with Jim Wilson's published load of 19.5 gns of H110 under a 295-300 gn swc.   It also likes jacketed in .429 diameter.  It opens it's groups about an inch more at 25m with .430 diameter slugs.  There is a similar thread on the Marlin Lever Action Forum about an accuracy problem with a 1895 in 44 mag and some interesting information from a Marlin factory rep.  HTH.

Actually, you didn't say whether you would be using these in a handgun.  If, perchance, you intend to use the same load in both revolver and rifle/carbine(which is always a solid thought)  you may have to go to a larger slug (.430 - .431) for one and a smaller slug for the other.  However, you did say you were not new to reloading so that may be where your applied research will pay off. 

My preferred load works great for me.  Hope it can work for you.  Mikey