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Offline Daveinthebush

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The Bear That Won't Die - Details
« on: May 07, 2003, 07:34:37 PM »
Forest Service's details give the lie to monster hunting myth
Griz wasn't a record and had not killed anyone as far as it is known.



By PETER PORCO
Anchorage Daily News


(Published: May 7, 2003)
Theodore Winnen, of the 18th Fighter Squadron at Eielson Air Force Base shot a big brown bear on Oct. 15, 2001 on Hinchinbrook Island. (Photo by Jim Urban / Associated Press archive 2001)


Tina in Louisiana wanted to know if the photographs were real. So did Martin, a pastor from Michigan, who wrote, "Are you able to verify for us that they are indeed genuine and true?"

Both Tina and Martin, sending separate e-mail messages to the U.S. Forest Service in Juneau with attached photos of a grizzly killed in Prince William Sound in the fall of 2001, had written their heart-felt wonderment atop a message string that included this text, from a previous e-mail writer:

"Think about it. This thing on its hind legs could walk up to the average single-story house and could look on the roof at eye level."

There was never a question that the brown bear that 22-year-old airman Ted Winnen shot to death in October 2001 on Hinchinbrook Island was huge.

The grizzly measured 10 feet, 6 inches from nose to tail. Its front claws were three to four inches long. An Alaska master guide estimated the bear's weight at up to 1,200 pounds. (Average brown bear weight for Hinchinbrook is less than half that.)

One photo shows Winnen holding the bear's paw as it obscures almost all of his chest. A second photo shows Winnen crouched looking like a child behind the bear's massive, bloody head.

But the "legend" e-mail, as Forest Service spokesman Ray Massey calls the tale that's been making the Internet rounds all this time, has converted the bear into a monster of impossible proportions.

It's now "over one thousand six hundred pounds ... 12'6" high at the shoulder," reads one message Massey has received.

E-mail exaggerations about the animal began to circulate little more than a month after Winnen, stationed at the time at Eielson Air Force Base, shot it while deer hunting with several partners.

Some of the early e-mails reached the Daily News, and the paper published a story about the kill in December 2001 accompanied by the two photos taken by one of Winnen's partners, Eielson Staff Sgt. Jim Urban.

Despite the newspaper story, the e-mails did not stop. Nor did calls to the agency from print and TV reporters wanting to know if the e-mail version was true.

"I've gotten calls from media all over the world," Massey said one day last week. "I got a call from London today."

The Forest Service, which manages the Chugach National Forest encompassing Prince William Sound, gets three or four e-mails about the bear every week that have to be answered, Massey said.

Many of the messages are from people who are skeptical and want confirmation of their doubts from the agency. About 30 percent of the messages come from hunters who are all but certain the tale is a tall one.

What's got Massey somewhat concerned, however, is that the circumstances of the bear's death morphed some time ago into what he terms an urban myth -- about a killer beast taken down by a Forest Service employee.

"He was out deer hunting when a large world class Griz charged him from about 50 yards away," according to one e-mail tale that has been circulating. "The guy unloaded a 7mm Mag Semi-auto into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. This thing was still alive, so he reloaded and capped it in the head. ... It's a world record. This bear had killed a couple of other people."

The bear was not a record, and it didn't kill anyone, as far as is known. It was coming toward Winnen and Urban from about 10 yards away, but it may not have seen them. And Winnen used a .338-caliber Winchester Magnum.

Hoping to debunk the myths, Massey answers the e-mails with plenty of details about the actual size of the bear and the hunt. The Forest Service's Web site provides a news release about the hunt and the rumors.

But now a third photo is making the rounds, a picture that supposedly shows a person's body, the bear's victim.

Massey never opened that attachment, he said.

"I didn't want to see a photo of the body. I know it's bogus."

Massey says there's no way to know how many people are reading the false stuff as the message travels the globe. He just scratches his head and says that, 19 months after the hunt, the story is still going.

"It's like the Energizer bunny," he said. "I have no doubt the Internet is keeping it moving. Otherwise it would have died a long time ago."
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The Bear That Won't Die - Details
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2003, 12:35:41 AM »
Hi Dave
 I guess they just cant believe what they see in those photos
the stories are all bull except the original told by Ted Winnen
The hunter that shot the Bear also he has a lot of photos
that have not been posted around I seen some of them
that the Friend who was with him had taken at another site. WOW
 It seems that a lot of hunters down south just dont believe
that because the ole bear isnt a world record of some sorts
it cant be for real well if they just use their search on the old net
and look up[ Doug Seus] or [Bart the Bear] they will see a tame one even gets that big.
I know a lot of guides that have had hunters decide
never mind the bear tag after seeing one up close and personel.
They are truly a remakable animal and deserve the respect they command.
Makes ya have second thoughts about not gettin that new 416
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2003, 03:33:03 AM »
the photo that was suppossed to be the bears victim. It was definately a gory photograph,  but there is no way to know what ate portions of the guy.  Could have been coyotes feasting on an already dead body or feral hogs for that matter.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2003, 05:36:46 AM »
That photo that is floating around is not a victim of this bear as it didnt kill anyone!
It is however suppossed to be the victim of a bear in souteast Alaska
the bear was killed and the remains removed from inside bear.
One Bear could do what was done to that victim if it chose to.
They have had attacks like that before a young boy
over in king cove Alaska about 8 to 10 years ago,
it was worse.I will try to find those reports
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Ouch!
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 04:56:13 AM »
whatever bear it was, it flat tore that guy up.  I noticed in the photo I saw that the remaining piece of leg had the remains of blue jeans and a tenins shoe on.  Didn't seem like someone out hunting dressed like that.  I wonder what the circumstances were for that attack.  
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2003, 06:51:18 PM »
The picture of that man/woman could have been from anywhere up here or in BC.  Maybe even in the lower 48 for all we know.  Either way it was not good.  There are two books out called Alaska Bear Attacks I & II if your interested.  You can probably find them on Barnes and Noble.  Don't read them just before or after dinner.  

"I felt my scalp being ripped off my head as the bears teeth crushed into my skull.....  

If you know what I mean. Not an exact quote but close enough! :grin:
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