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The 45-70 Wins over all Competion in Poll
« on: February 12, 2007, 11:31:59 AM »
The 45-70 is a very flexible cartridge to load. It can be loaded down to 1300 fps for plinking or up to 2200fps for hunting large game. I don't know if the Marlin will take the 400gr and up bullets but it will handle the 350 gr. and that's plenty for deer or elk. Before you buy the ole trusty thuty-thuty take a good look at the 45-70. Marlin makes it in three models with barrel lengths from 18-1/2 inches to 24 inches. ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2007, 12:27:17 PM »
OK, but throw this wrench in your choice - those specs' also apply to the the 35 Rem. and you'll only use half the powder and lead. And now there's the 308ME .....

I say get one (or more) of each  ;)

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 01:04:02 PM »
OK, but throw this wrench in your choice - those specs' also apply to the the 35 Rem. and you'll only use half the powder and lead. And now there's the 308ME .....

I say get one (or more) of each  ;)

I was just looking at that nice looking Glenfield in the other post and was thinking I should be so lucky to find one in .35.  Then I thought 45/70.  Now you have either solved my problem or complicated it, I don't know which.  I guess I am in the market for all of them...
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 01:27:25 PM »
I have heard it said that everyone should have at least 2 45-70's. I got one more to get. it'll be a Handi of some description.  The 35 Remington??  ::) ::)

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2007, 01:56:51 PM »
I have heard it said that everyone should have at least 2 45-70's. I got one more to get. it'll be a Handi of some description.  The 35 Remington??  ::) ::)

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I thought I was behind two rifles, now you tell me it is up to three!!
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2007, 02:32:44 PM »
It's important not to get too far behind. And remember this also applies to scopes too! ;D ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 10:12:08 PM »
The 35 Remington??  ::) ::)

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It's important not to get too far behind. And remember this also applies to scopes too!   ;D ;D

Mc - I gotta lift my eyes to heaven in thanks for the 35 Rem. sometimes too.  ::)

My question is what's the purpose of a scope on a 45-70?  Make a fair handle I suppose.   ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 01:01:08 AM »
Ive shot 540 grain bullets out of the marlin. You will break before the gun does!! With stout loads my guide gun had more percieved recoil then my 458 mag #1 does with factory ww loads. That was the opinion of me and a couple freinds that were shooting with me that day. Beleive me a 540wfn at 1600fps hits things hard. You could even hear it slap the dirt backstop! Now to the .35 rem which is in my opinion probably the most versitle lever gun made. With 200s it will take game to the size of elk and loaded down with .358 lead pistol bullets and 8 grains of unique its like shooting a .22. To me the .35s are the smallest caliber rifle bullets i want to use lead with for hunting. I think the .30s are a tad small unless a guy wants to play with soft nosed cast. My girlfriends .35 rem with 200 grain rcbs roundnosed flat points has shot a couple deer and one wild boar and all were one shot kills and no animal made more then two steps after the shot. If your looking for versatility the .35 rem is hard to beat.
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 01:22:40 AM »
I have both a 30-30 and a 45-70. Love them both.  ;D
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2007, 04:07:42 PM »
I got the 30-30,.35 and the 45/70...
Im happy... ;D
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2007, 10:53:33 PM »
O sure. Rub it in! <VBG>
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 02:14:12 AM »
I got the 30-30,.35 and the 45/70...
Im happy... ;D

I had a 35 Rem also and my buddy wanted it real bad. I also had two 444 Marlins. I just thought the 45-70 offered a better bullet selection over the 444 Marlin and sold them. I will get another 35 Rem when I see one for sale.
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 06:53:24 AM »
The purpose of a scope on a 45-70 is to see. My eyes will not focus the rear,front sight and target at the same time anymore. :'( :'(  I would probably go for a 1-1/2 to 5X variable.

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 12:56:44 PM »
 I like both the 30-30 and the 45-70...But at 150 yards or less I have a nice little friend...A model92 Winchester in 38-40..I shoot 10mm pistol bullets with 13gr unique using 190grFP...I have only shot holes in paper and not killed anything with it but it is a hoot and dead on at 100yds...
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 01:38:22 PM »
Make that 4 models, you forgot about the 1895CB in 26" and it will take anything from paper patch up to a 540gr bullet. It will shoot 1000 fps up to 2300fps. But why make the choice? I have 3 30-30's and an 1895CB!

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 02:11:39 PM »
Great!  It gets worse.  Now I need a 38/40 as well. <vbg>
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 03:03:14 PM »
What I'm saying Keith is all you need is a 45-70!! ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 03:17:00 PM »
Great!  It gets worse.  Now I need a 38/40 as well. <vbg>

So now your going to start on the Winchesters?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 06:59:12 PM »
What I'm saying Keith is all you need is a 45-70!! ;D

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That would make it simpler...
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 07:01:42 PM »
Great!  It gets worse.  Now I need a 38/40 as well. <vbg>

So now your going to start on the Winchesters?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am down to one of them.  I sold a late model Model 94 when prices were crazy, and now would be able to get a good pre 64 edition and have money left over.  I have been kind of thinking about that.  The one I still have is a 9422M so is a levergun, but a bit different.
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2007, 11:57:50 PM »
Actually Keith, to have all the ones you "need" you'll have to buy a bigger house.

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2007, 12:45:45 AM »
Keith, you know once you get a 45-70 the 30-30 or 35 Rem will be next.  My buddy for many years told me lever action guns were junk. Well he is 65 now and guess what gun he asked to buy from me last year, you got it, my Marlin 35 Rem lever action. Now all he want to shoot is that lever action, I know, I have to reload his ammo for him.  :D
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2007, 03:03:29 AM »
The .30-30 is equally flexible as far as velocity goes – it can be loaded down as far as the .45-70 but can be loaded to considerably higher velocities if desired.  For example, Alliant’s 2002 Reloaders Guide lists a 125g Sierra bullet at 2630fps.  I use Hodgdon data and am running the Speer 130’s right at 2500fps.

Where the .45-70 shines is in pure thumping power.  A 540g bullet, even at modest velocities, will put a serious hurt on the target.  While I don’t shoot anything that heavy, I have shot 500’s at 1554fps and the recoil is surprisingly mild.  Such loads are the second-best penetrators I have ever seen.  The BEST penetrators, for what it is worth, are 300 and 350g hardcast plinking loads at a nominal 1130fps.  These loads are extremely cheap to build, very accurate and generate about half the recoil of standard .30-30 loads.  My hunting loads push a 350g North Fork bonded bullet to 2183fps and are awesome on game.  Recoil for my loads ranges from half that of a .30-30 for the plinkers to over twice that of a .30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag for a 460g hardcast at 1812fps.  There is a reason they say the .45-70 goes “from mild to wild”.

The .30-30 with 170g bullets are adequate for most game out to 200 yards - even in factory loads like the Winchester Power Points, which my rifle loves,.  Most of the elk I’ve taken in the last 25 years would have fallen easily to such a load.  The 150g bullets shoot a bit flatter but don’t deliver as much downrange energy. 

For smaller deer and antelope, for widespread availability of inexpensive factory ammo, or just for plinking clay pigeons at 200 yards and beyond, I have to like the .30-30 better than the .45-70.  For elk at 200 yards, for big critters that fight back, shooting reactive targets or just busting rocks with cheap plinker handloads, I like the .45-70.

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2007, 07:10:41 AM »
My buddy wants my NEF .45-70 and now that I have my Guide Gun, I'm tempted to sell it to him to get me a .336 in .35 Remington.

The .45-70 is the one to own if you can only have one IMO.

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2007, 07:33:38 AM »

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The question is not so much which one to get, as it is which one to get FIRST.

A good summation of it I would say... ;)

While the North Forks at 2180fps are Coyote Hunters go to load for elk..I have a go to load for the deer I hunt...I really like the 300 Grain Nosler Partition at 2400fps for them...Sure it's not needed...and yes...it is stout load...but one that has shot good in every Marlin 45-70 I have ever owned...including my single shot Handi-rifle...and with my XLR will consistently put them into 1" or less at 100 yards...and slightly above or at 2" at 200 yards...It packs a heck of a punch on the deer I've shot with it...or others who have...My 405 grain Cast performance load isn't as hot..but it sure shoots good too...

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2007, 02:12:59 PM »
So there is the conclusion. It's the 45-70 first right? ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2007, 02:16:15 PM »
I'm starting to look this weekend...
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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2007, 02:50:05 PM »
Guys, I should admit that I like my Marlin 336 ;D

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2007, 03:25:40 PM »
What's not to like?

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Re: Choose 45-70 Over the 30-30
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2007, 01:45:41 AM »
I gots me one a dem tirty-tirties...  Shoots rat good it does.  Gots me tree a dem big-whumpin foaty five sebendies.  Dey shoots better!!!  Winchester 94 AE in .30-30 and I really like it.  I got it from my grandfather.  After he got rid of all of his guns he bought a new Winnie and a box of shells.   Shot two to make sure it shot where he thought it would.  I'm savin' those shells for hunting.  My plan is to only use those for killing deer.  I'm hoping to go 18 for 18.  Have a G2 in .45-70.  I like it with the lighter loads 'cause it's too light for the heavy ones and I'm a wuss.  Also have the 1895 SS (pre Guide Gun) that I really like.  Bought an 1895 Cowboy model at Christmas this year.  I'm hoping this will be my scabbard gun when I retire from the AF in a year or two.  I love the way it feels but I want to have the stock cut and inch or so and a good recoil pad put on.  That should help...

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