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Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« on: February 12, 2007, 08:46:25 PM »
Just curious as to peoples thoughts to the two opening days this year.   They also claim they will be stocking bigger fish ;)
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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 05:33:51 AM »
That's interesting. I didn't know that until you pointed it out. The folks on the southeastern side will get a 2 week head start. No big deal. I know the die-hard guys will just make the drive to that part of the state.

Me, I can only lake fish anyway...so I'll just wait until mid April. Then take my 357 out and....no...wait...wrong sport, I'll take out my Mitchell 408 (Yeah.....I bot it brand new in 1969 for like $19) and my rod that is about the same vintage year and get some worms and dust off the spinners and "get out there".  Can't do spinners all day.....way too much work.

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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 07:02:20 AM »
for me it realy dosent matter...
but im very suprised that people arnt fliping over this i heard a few people sayen ""what now the east side is better then we are for fishing whats next hunting early ther too""

so i guess the main stream hasent seen it yet till march

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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 08:03:16 PM »
for me it realy dosent matter...
but im very suprised that people arnt fliping over this i heard a few people sayen ""what now the east side is better then we are for fishing whats next hunting early ther too""

so i guess the main stream hasent seen it yet till march

Preliminary vote has been given to allow archery (I believe doe only) in SR wmu's to begin in mid sept.
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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 04:32:45 PM »
I live in the SE, and I'm not sure this is such a good idea...   One creek that I fish runs from an "open county" into a closed one...    One hole will literally be open and the next one down stream will take 2 more weeks.   My opinion....   They just should have started it statewide 2 week earlier...

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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 03:26:14 PM »
This is a good idea, horribly executed!
As already pointed out, we have "same stream, different seasons" issues which may cause enforcement difficulties. 'Honest, I didn't realize the county line was through here.' Time, education, and enforcement will settle some of this, IF we assume that all are willing to learn and obey.

I live in Juniata County. We are included in the early season. This seemed strange and unwise. When I spoke with the Fish Commission Regional office, I asked how the lines were determined. It was based on average temperatures and the final lines so determined were adjusted to match county lines. Now, a couple of things come to bear here.---

For example: East Licking Creek runs along the Northwest border, in Juniata County. All of the section (a good number of miles) above the reservoir in in the forest. It stays cooler, and fishes longer than the lower sections eventually running into the Tuscarora Creek at Port Royal. The temperature lines are outside air temperature lines. The typical water temperature and terrain and such seems to have not been considered. Other streams in this and some in Perry County to our south have this characteristic.

In the upper reaches of Licking Creek there is a section called the project. It is 'artificial lure, delayed harvest'. This one small section out of 30-40 miles was set aside for those of us who fly fish and release all. HOWEVER, it is not uncommon to find cheaters there after the early stocking and before the otherwise regular season starts. When approached, they all feign stupidity about the regs and usually leave the area. Now that the season starts 2 weeks early as compared to Mifflin County, to our North, we will have to endure double the population of fishers on this small stream. Some take their 5 fish limit, and return later for another 5, some bait fish the restricted water. Most are just folks out having a nice day fishing. We have an enforcement problem and a cultural one. This new double opening day severly aggravates these problems.

Perhaps the Fish commision should just open state fish markets -- IMHO the concept of starting the season early for SE counties due to the too warm temperatures there in the latter part of the season was a good concept. The execution part of the plan appears to be based on simplistic generalizations and county boundaries instead of stream qualities, and was poorly thought out.

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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 01:26:16 AM »
 I believe that there was, once upon a time, trout season between opening day and Labor day, only.
 This might take a few seasons to get sorted out.  Woodbutcher

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Re: Two trout openers. Your thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 04:24:39 PM »
Woodburcher, Sorry, no flame here, but I'm old, the folks that make these decisions get good money to do this, and I'm interested in performance, not good intentions. It'll take a few seasons to sort it out doesn't wash any more.

When I spoke to the district office, I was informed that they surveyed folks along the streams last year to provide a baseline that will be compared to a survey to be done this year in the border areas. I have to wonder if the measure of success is going to be measured by the raw number of folks out fishing on opening day, number of trout killed, ....I mean harvested.  Of course, with 2 opening days, I think the outcome of this survey would be obvious ahead of time. IS this going to be another Pennsylvania demonstration of 'ask the question the right way and you can provide supporting data to prove your wanted outcome?' I guess I'm just a little suspisious of any commission with the Commonwealth of PA in it's title.

Yes, trout season used to be of one type for all streams. We have learned a few things, but are well behind in our management practices when compared to the western US. I hope this does get sorted out, and quickly, I just feel that the initial shot at it could have been a whole lot more accurate.

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