Author Topic: Jim Zumbo (Read 3199 times)

scout34 · « **on:** February 18, 2007, 03:49:46 AM »

Go over to the Self Defense and exotic weapons forum for a look at what Jim Zumbo said in Remington Country. I'll let you form your own opinions.

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html

beemanbeme · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2007, 04:12:04 AM »

Doesn't that stupid S.O.B. know that the 2nd has nothing to do with hunting??? Also, and of more import, does he think the anti's are gonna be happy to say "oh goodness, we've got all those stinky, old assault rifle outlawed so we'll leave the hunting rifle crowd alone." When the no-nothings have already declared any rifle with a scope on it is a "sniper rifle".

Cheesehead · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2007, 04:18:34 AM »

This guy has gone from hero to zero so fast I am still in shock. I am a huge fan of rifle hunting and enjoyed his TV show,,but, no more.

Cheese

crawdaddyjim · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2007, 05:51:04 AM »

He gets his paycheck from remington. The original post was on his Remington blog site. And he was hunting with Remington reps. Call Remington 1-800-243-9700

huntswithdogs · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2007, 06:45:05 AM »

Looks like ole Jim stepped on his crank this time. We all have the right to our opinions but when ya get into a area of noteriety such as his, you need to be careful when stating,much less writing them down.

HWD

NONYA · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2007, 07:17:35 AM »

A lil somthin i whipped up for dumbos new blog page...

dubber123 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2007, 12:04:50 PM »

I just tried twice to pull Zumbo's article up, with no success. Maybe they pulled it?

scout34 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:46:25 PM »

Remington has posted a press release stating that they are severing ties.

http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp

Now if only we can swarm Rudy Guliani the same way.

nomosendero · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2007, 03:13:09 PM »

It is sad when someone like him who does hunt or has hunted takes these stupid positions which gives the anti's lots of fodder. Whether it is being opposed to the type of gun, mag cap., or how large the caliber is, the devastating damage it deals us is the same.

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2007, 03:42:11 PM »

Quote from: crawdaddyjim on February 18, 2007, 05:51:04 AM

He gets his paycheck from remington. The original post was on his Remington blog site. And he was hunting with Remington reps. Call Remington 1-800-243-9700

The original post was on an Outdoor Life blog, not on any site associated with Remington. OL has since removed the original post and the kerry-esque apology. Please put the blame in the proper place. MI VHNTR

Drilling Man · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:02:52 PM »

Here is what i read of dumbo's blog... DM

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

dubber123 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2007, 06:59:24 PM »

Thanks Drilling Man, I wanted to be able to show some more people what it was he said. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'd rather this NOT just go away in a few days. I want people to understand that to the anti's a gun is a gun no matter what they say. Agreeeing that it's ok to ban any kind of gun just because we personally might not be interested in it will eventually cause us to lose the right to own ANY guns. Sorry for preaching, but I haven't been this fired up since Clinton got into the white house.

NONYA · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2007, 07:03:44 PM »

Hearing this from one of your own "idols" makes it MUCH WORSE!

jvs · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2007, 09:53:24 PM »

Perhaps old Zumbo, in all of his ignorance, doesn't realize that some States allow the use of Gas Operated rifles for Deer and other medium to large Game.

The only difference in some of the rifles used in those states is that those rifles have a much more acceptable appearance, instead of the Black Stocks and they have smaller magazines.

Maybe Zumbo would like the see the Ban of Auto-Loading Shotguns also, just to make everything equal. After all, auto-loading shotguns ARE the same basic action.

I get the feeling that writers like Zumbo are there to prepare us for an eventual divide and conquer among us gun owners, with some gun owners 'understanding' the ban of certain guns..... "as long as they don't come after mine" syndrome.

Zumbo should keep his opinions to himself, I am not interesed in his editorial content. While there is nothing wrong with believing that one shot should be enough, and having the ability and expertise to make the shot, politicizing and editorializing the use of certain firearms for other people is out of the question. I am not one of the Spray & Pray crowd either, but I don't force my beliefs on other people. I shoot what I like, you shoot what you like.

I hope Zumbo enjoys a long life and a happy retirement, because he clearly is tired of doing his job.

I will offer one more personal opinion here. Some laws that were written after 9-11 could easily be interpreted by the anti's as enough reason to outlaw some firearms as terrorist tools, including what you may or may not have in your gun cabinet. The Patriot Act is up for interpretation on all levels, including gun ownership by citizens. If Zumbo was trying to focus attention on that fact, then he may be doing us all a favor. However, he might have done it in a different way.

Duke45 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:04:13 AM »

I understand Rem. has severed Zumbo's assoc. with them . and i hope all other sponsers do like wise . That fool should be forced into an early retirement and never speak of firearms agian. I would not watch his shows or read his books agian. I am glad to see Ted Nugent and other true friends of gun owners have also called Zumbo to task.

nomosendero · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2007, 06:00:16 AM »

jvs, in AR and alot of other States the appearance of the gun & the mag. capacity is irrelevant, & it should not be important.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2007, 06:50:38 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 19, 2007, 07:03:44 PM

Hearing this from one of your own "idols" makes it MUCH WORSE!

You said the same thing about the 50 BMG in another thread. What make what you said any different than what Zumbo said??? Now you decide to take sides?

Zumbo is a looser and anyone that has the same stance on hunting issues, is in my opinion not any better.

I think Zumbo wrote his last article.

35Rem · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:10:22 AM »

Redhawk1,

You have brought up an old Locked thread in several other threads, as well as this one. Please stop. It feels like you are trying to dredge up something.

I think we all need to understand that the less the government tells us what to do, the better.

Ethically, we can disagree on practices in the field. Laws are a lot different than ethics. Laws are hard and fast. Ethics are open to interpretation.

You don't have a problem being overpowered, in my opinion, when you hunt. Others don't feel it's needed. So what. I'll go hunting with you anyday. I don't care what you carry.

Lets concentrate a little more on being ALLOWED to hunt together in the furture, however we want to.

NONYA · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:44:22 AM »

Redhawk,Im not a rep for the hunting/shooting world employed by hunting/gun companys,I was also talking about ONE SPECIFIC cartridge,the .50 BMG in one specific situation.Dumbo wants all AR type rifles banned from hunting,regardless of caliber and use,he also called everyone that uses them a terrorist,all i ever said is I dont want to see people hunting elk with the .50 BMG in my state.DONT try to lump us together,Im tired of your nonstop harrasment and Im pretty sure everyone else is tired or reading it.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:45:14 AM »

Quote from: 35Rem on February 20, 2007, 08:10:22 AM

Redhawk1,

You have brought up an old Locked thread in several other threads, as well as this one. Please stop. It feels like you are trying to dredge up something.

I think we all need to understand that the less the government tells us what to do, the better.

Ethically, we can disagree on practices in the field. Laws are a lot different than ethics. Laws are hard and fast. Ethics are open to interpretation.

You don't have a problem being overpowered, in my opinion, when you hunt. Others don't feel it's needed. So what. I'll go hunting with you anyday. I don't care what you carry.

Lets concentrate a little more on being ALLOWED to hunt together in the furture, however we want to.

You are absolutely right I have brought it up in several threads, and I will as long as I see others that were in our past discussion that stood up for the exact same thing Zumbo said, but with a different gun.

I am pointing out, how someone can pick and choose which gun they decide to support and which one they would not. I will expose someone for whom they are and what they stand for. Just don't tell me you think someone is wrong when you did the same thing yourself but with a different gun..
I am using the word you, but not meaning you personally.

You don't like what I have to say or post, there is a very easy solution to your problem. Do read it.

Well I guess I am the bad guy once again here on Graybeard. I did not see you challenge one other person here that has written in any of the other threads. That OK, I don't mind you or anyone venting on me, as a matter of fact I am use to it. I guess when someone stands up for what they believe in, others take notice.

NONYA · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:47:40 AM »

If you feel likr the "badguy" its because you refuse to let things rest and you cant imagine that people are ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS,wether they mesh with yours or not!Dumbo is entitled to his own opinion but he made the mistake of expressing an opinion the goes against everything his employers stand for and all of his "followers" are against,now he has to deal with the repercusions of not thinking before he spoke.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:49:47 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 20, 2007, 08:44:22 AM

Redhawk,Im not a rep for the hunting/shooting world employed by hunting/gun companys,I was also talking about ONE SPECIFIC cartridge,the .50 BMG in one specific situation.Dumbo wants all AR type rifles banned from hunting,regardless of caliber and use,he also called everyone that uses them a terrorist,all i ever said is I dont want to see people hunting elk with the .50 BMG in my state.DONT try to lump us together,Im tired of your nonstop harrasment and Im pretty sure everyone else is tired or reading it.

It is one and the same. You don't have to be a Rep or gun writer to hurt the hunting world with outright non support of legal hunting. Graybeard is an open forum, open to anyone on the Internet. Therefor you are a spokesman regardless if you get paid or not.

You cannot pick and choose which gun you feel like supporting. It is an ALL OR NONE.

NONYA · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:53:27 AM »

Redhawk,you sound like a broken record....none of the people including me ever expressed that people shouldnt be able to own as many 50 bmgs as they want,we were discussing a max caliber limit in HUNTING REGULATIONS,just like we have a min caliber,Im not going to get back into this pointless "discusion" with you so well just say your right im, wrong,you know everything,and whatever else it will take to get you to drop this and not keep bringing it up in every thread you post in....you are not going to change anyones opinion through harrasment and childish games.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:55:29 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 20, 2007, 08:47:40 AM

If you feel likr the "badguy" its because you refuse to let things rest and you cant imagine that people are ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS,wether they mesh with yours or not!Dumbo is entitled to his own opinion but he made the mistake of expressing an opinion the goes against everything his employers stand for and all of his "followers" are against,now he has to deal with the repercusions of not thinking before he spoke.

How can you criticize Zumbo when you basically said the same thing, but did not call 50 BMG user's terrorists. Other than that, there is no difference what you were saying.
It is obvious you still feel the same way about the 50 BMG for hunting so your stance is exactly like Zumbo's.
Where am I wrong or what am I missing here?

NONYA · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:58:37 AM »

what you are missing is the fact that there is no camparison between what Zumbo did and me thinking the .50bmg should be restricted from the big game regs here in my state,Im pretty sure you do know the difference but you are using this to bring back up a thread that was locked weeks ago,Redhawk...get a life...please!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:02:40 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 20, 2007, 08:53:27 AM

Redhawk,you sound like a broken record....none of the people including me ever expressed that people shouldnt be able to own as many 50 bmgs as they want,we were discussing a max caliber limit in HUNTING REGULATIONS,just like we have a min caliber,Im not going to get back into this pointless "discusion" with you so well just say your right im, wrong,you know everything,and whatever else it will take to get you to drop this and not keep bringing it up in every thread you post in....you are not going to change anyones opinion through harrasment and childish games.

I never brought it up until you posted about Zumbo. You called him a hypocrite..

I am not talking about people owning 50 BMG's, I am talking about your stance on the 50 BMG being banned from hunting for Elk or any other game animal where it is legal. So don't put words into my posts that I did not address. Zumbo's blog was about banning AR15 from hunting, not the actual gun for ownership. No different than what you were talking about.

I think Zumbo was wrong and his apology is to little to late.

I am done with this subject, I just wanted to see your explanation for the hypocrite remark. As normal you tapped dance out of it.

NONYA · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:56:58 AM »

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jvs · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:25:35 AM »

Quote from: nomosendero on February 20, 2007, 06:00:16 AM

jvs, in AR and alot of other States the appearance of the gun & the mag. capacity is irrelevant, & it should not be important.

I agree with you 100%. I was trying to make a point that it's not the appearance of the rifle that makes it an Assault Rifle, even though alot of people think it does. Ban the assault rifle and you also ban many other types of firearms. (which is what the anti's want) At one time there was legislation proposed that would ban any firearm that would discharge every time the trigger is pulled. When it came to light that the ban would also include double action revolvers, it died.

Writers like him forget that auto-loading arms are part of many states hunting season. Not only rifles, but shotguns also.

For him to chastize anyone for using an auto-loader for hunting is not only unjust but ignorant.

The anti's are a tricky bunch. A back-stabbing, anti-constitution socialistic crowd.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2007, 11:16:18 AM »

Enough of the personal attacks guys. Private e-mails sent. If the attacks don't end you leave me no choice but to end these threads.

jgalar · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:14:43 PM »

Not too long before he became president of the NRA I saw a talk show with Charlton Heston as a guest. Heston badmouthed the ARs and AKs and stated there was no reason for anybody to own these type of guns.

Maybe Zumbo is planning a run for the NRA presidency