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« on: May 09, 2003, 08:15:53 AM »
Does anyone know if North Carolina allows CCW??  I have a valid CCW for Indiana and wondered if NC recognized any permits from my state or any other state???  Any help you can toss my way would be appreciated.  Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 09:59:57 AM »
CKnight98 - Thanks for the web info.  I checked out NC and they don't honor out of state permits.  Guess I will have to leave the sidearm at home.  Last thing I want to do is get picked up and spend a vacation in the slammer.  Thanks for the web site it is extremely helpful.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2003, 11:55:29 AM »
Try this site.

http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/guns.htm

According to the letter of the law, in NC, it may be ok to carry a handgun openly in your vehicle, but that may cause several other problems.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 11:59:16 AM »
Read the "Transporting of Weapons" portion.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 05:07:26 PM »
I had a ccw permit in N.C. 3 years ago. To carry concealed you need the permit. Residents can carry in vehicle if it is in plain view without a permit. Now in Florida you cant carry in plain view. One state may be just the opposite of another. Horsefeathers.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 11:34:34 PM »
question fer the lawdogs lurking. texas has, forever, been pretty lax in the area of regulation. i have said before, in other post, that when i grew up most everbody i knew (we are speaking adults) had some type of concealed weapon in the car. now i'm not talking shotguns and rifles in a rack.
there was, is, a law about transporting or carrying if you crossed more than two county lines on a trip. the people int he business i have known over the years have not been of the disposition to enforce this unless there were circumstances or need to do so. i have often wondered, outloud a time or two around here, why i even went to the expense or trouble, to get the fool chl. course the answer is so that i may have it on my person out of the vehicle. but as far as having it in the vehicle i was never concerned or worried about being stopped, searched and arrested fer havin the dang gun.
most officers of the law, that i know, just assumed there was some type of weapon in the car they were dealing with and were never concerned or at least were never under the desire to try and enforce the law, unless there was some other circumstance that would warrant it.
now maybe this is not the case in other states, but i suspect this is the case.
input from officials of the law are appreciated.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2003, 10:22:12 AM »
It's not just the state you're driving to, it's also the states you're driving through to get there. If I go through MD, I must have my gun locked in the trunk and cannot have ammunition any where close to it. My Jeep has no trunk so I am not within the law.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2003, 03:24:56 PM »
NC does have a CCW for there residents.  At this time they do not accept other states CCW.  There is, or was a bill pending that would alow out of state CCW.  I don't know if it has gone anywhere.  Residents can carry with out a CCW as long as it is in plain site.  Not sure how this would aply to non-residents. Better safe than sorry. Lone Hunter

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2003, 06:39:03 AM »
I live about 45 minutes from NC and I've been told that NC has passed the bill to reconize permits from other issue states. That law in not fully enacted yet, still details to work out. I look forward to it's implementation because I cross the TN/NC state line quite often.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2003, 04:05:28 PM »
Quote from: Flash
It's not just the state you're driving to, it's also the states you're driving through to get there. If I go through MD, I must have my gun locked in the trunk and cannot have ammunition any where close to it. My Jeep has no trunk so I am not within the law.


You have to have the ammo in a locked box if you don't have a trunk.  The gun laws here are crazy, but better than D.C.s.  Our ex Gov Glendenning never saw a gun control law he didn't like.  It is also illegal to have a loaded clip or speedloader in the car.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2003, 12:14:03 PM »
that is the law in texas also.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2003, 03:07:15 AM »
Hey guys thanks for all the info.  The laws certainly are confusing so I think I will just leave the darn thing at home seeing how I have a number of states to go through to get to NC.  The piece would be stashed in the suitcase anyway but in the event of a road problem or anything like that I guess I will revert back to whay my Pappy taught me "Better safe than sorry".  Again thanks for all the help on this subject.  Makes me want to stay in Indiana.  CCW permits are a breeze here and low cost too!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2003, 04:14:24 PM »
There are a lot of laws in different states and locals.  When transporting guns across state lines, there is a federal law which supercedes all local laws, or at least it says it does.  Here is the exact law.  This has been Federal law since 1968.



Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
 Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.




This means that you can carry a gun in your car through any state in the union  as long as it is carried according to this statute.   I am not sure about D.C..

Flash, in your jeep you can carry your firearm unloaded in a locked box, because it is one of those vehicles noted in the federal statute that does not have a trunk.  To be safe, put both gun and ammo in separate locked boxes (like a small locked tool box.)

You can even carry unloaded guns through National Parks, although signs often say "No Firearms".  Here is a copy of the law pertaining to firearms in the National Parks.

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Chapter 1-National Park Service, Dept. of the Interior.  Part 2-Resource Protection, Public Use and Recreation:

Section 2.4 Weapons, Traps, and Nets:  (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations),and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net  (2) Weapons, traps ornets may be carried, possessed or used:  (i) At designated times and locations in park areas where: (A) The taking of wildlife is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.2 of this chapter: (B) The taking of fish is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.3 of this part. (ii) When used for target practice at designated times and at facilities or locations designed and constructed specifically for this purpose and designated pursuant to special regulations. (iii) Within a residential dwelling.  For purposes of this subparagraph only, the term "residential dwelling" means a fixed housing structure which is either the principal residence of its occupants, or is occupied on a regular and recurring basis by its occupants as an alternate residence or vacation home.

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(3)Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.
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 (b) Carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle, vessel or other mode of transportation is prohibited, except that carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a vessel is allowed when such vessel is not being propelled by machinery and is used as a shooting platform in accordance with Federal and State law.  (c) The use of a weapon, trap or net in a manner that endangers persons or property is prohibited.  (d) The superintendent may issue a permit to carry or possess a weapon, trap or net under the following circumstances: (1) When necessary to support research activities conducted in accordance with Sec. 2.5 (2) To carry firearms for persons in charge of pack trains or saddle horses for emergency use. (3) For employees, agents or cooperating officials in the performance of their official duties. (4) To provide access to otherwise inaccessible lands or waters contiguous to a park area when other means of access are otherwise impracticable or impossible.  Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant to this paragraph is prohibited and may result in the suspension or revocation of the permit. (e) Authorized Federal, State and local law enforcement officer may carry firearms in the performance of their official duties. (f) The carrying or possession of a weapon, trap or net in violation of applicable Federal and State laws is prohibited. (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States. {48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, April 30, 1984; 52 FR 35240, September 18, 1987)




These laws are good to know now that traveling and vacation season is upon us.  Fortunately my permit is recognized by many states.  I have found that by also obtaining out of state permits from FL and UT I can legally carry in about 23 states including all the states I travel to on a regular basis.

It can be helpful to print and carry a copy of these Federal laws with you while traveling.  If you are stopped and the gun becomes an issue, most officers will not press the issue if they are aware that the federal law is being followed.

I have even carried this way to the Canadian border.  At the border, you must declare the firearm and surrender it to the Canadian border guards.  They give you a receipt for the gun and you pick it up on your way out of the country.   I have crossed at the NY / Canadian line this way with no problems.

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2003, 04:17:34 PM »
There are a lot of laws in different states and locals.  When transporting guns across state lines, there is a federal law which supercedes all local laws, or at least it says it does.  Here is the exact law.  This has been Federal law since 1968.



Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
 Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.




This means that you can carry a gun in your car through any state in the union  as long as it is carried according to this statute.   I am not sure about D.C..

Flash, in your jeep you can carry your firearm unloaded in a locked box, because it is one of those vehicles noted in the federal statute that does not have a trunk.  To be safe, put both gun and ammo in separate locked boxes (like a small locked tool box.)

You can even carry unloaded guns through National Parks, although signs often say "No Firearms".  Here is a copy of the law pertaining to firearms in the National Parks.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Note the separated section below.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@




Chapter 1-National Park Service, Dept. of the Interior.  Part 2-Resource Protection, Public Use and Recreation:

Section 2.4 Weapons, Traps, and Nets:  (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations),and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net  (2) Weapons, traps ornets may be carried, possessed or used:  (i) At designated times and locations in park areas where: (A) The taking of wildlife is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.2 of this chapter: (B) The taking of fish is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.3 of this part. (ii) When used for target practice at designated times and at facilities or locations designed and constructed specifically for this purpose and designated pursuant to special regulations. (iii) Within a residential dwelling.  For purposes of this subparagraph only, the term "residential dwelling" means a fixed housing structure which is either the principal residence of its occupants, or is occupied on a regular and recurring basis by its occupants as an alternate residence or vacation home.

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(3)Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.
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 (b) Carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle, vessel or other mode of transportation is prohibited, except that carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a vessel is allowed when such vessel is not being propelled by machinery and is used as a shooting platform in accordance with Federal and State law.  (c) The use of a weapon, trap or net in a manner that endangers persons or property is prohibited.  (d) The superintendent may issue a permit to carry or possess a weapon, trap or net under the following circumstances: (1) When necessary to support research activities conducted in accordance with Sec. 2.5 (2) To carry firearms for persons in charge of pack trains or saddle horses for emergency use. (3) For employees, agents or cooperating officials in the performance of their official duties. (4) To provide access to otherwise inaccessible lands or waters contiguous to a park area when other means of access are otherwise impracticable or impossible.  Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant to this paragraph is prohibited and may result in the suspension or revocation of the permit. (e) Authorized Federal, State and local law enforcement officer may carry firearms in the performance of their official duties. (f) The carrying or possession of a weapon, trap or net in violation of applicable Federal and State laws is prohibited. (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States. {48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, April 30, 1984; 52 FR 35240, September 18, 1987)




These laws are good to know now that traveling and vacation season is upon us.  Fortunately my permit is recognized by many states.  I have found that by also obtaining out of state permits from FL and UT I can legally carry in about 23 states including all the states I travel to on a regular basis.

It can be helpful to print and carry a copy of these Federal laws with you while traveling.  If you are stopped and the gun becomes an issue, most officers will not press the issue if they are aware that the federal law is being followed.

I have even carried this way to the Canadian border.  At the border, you must declare the firearm and surrender it to the Canadian border guards.  They give you a receipt for the gun and you pick it up on your way out of the country.   I have crossed at the NY / Canadian line this way with no problems.