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Offline mstake

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problems with neck runout
« on: February 20, 2007, 01:51:57 PM »
 I have 2 cal. that the inside of the dies the necks must not have been drilled strait. It is not an expander problem cause i took that out and resized with out and the runout on the necks were still out 2ths. that inturn causes at least 2ths out when seated if not more. Is this a common problem with dies. One is a 243 rcbs and i can't remember if the other one is. Should i be looking at better dies. I have a friend that said he can fix it with his lathe. but if he straightens it out he will have to make a bigger hole which would be a crude way make a bushing die. What thoughts do you guys have on this?
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Re: problems with neck runout
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 02:18:06 PM »
Have you checked run-out on fired brass?  Could the source be a chamber that is poorly cut?  Just thoughts, not answers, sorry.
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Re: problems with neck runout
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 02:32:29 PM »
I got a set of .375 H&H mag dies once that had the seater plug hole drilled way out.  You didn't need a micrometer to see this one.  It was plainly visible looking inside the die.  Bad dies do happen, not necessarily saying this is the case, but maybe.  Can you borrow another set of dies to try this?

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Re: problems with neck runout
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 05:05:52 AM »
Reality check - a 0.002" runout is not terrible, in fact it is probably within the tolerences of most non-competition dies and chambers.  I have lots of ammo with that degree of runout and it shoots fine.  If the goal is zero runout, then be prepared to pay a lot for dies and chambers...and brass.

Even with perfect dies and chambers the brass you use may not allow zero runout.  Cases with uneven case wall thickness* - very common in mass produced brass - will warp after firing and take on a "banana" shape.  Very slight, but it will destroy the chances for zero runout.  This is one reason for the use of costly premium brass for maximum accuracy.  My last box of Lapua .308 cases exhibit almost perfect concentricity in case wall thickness.  The last batch of Remington brass I checked on the other hand...    :-\

* One way to check a case's wall thickness uniformity without destroying the case is to measure the case neck thickness at four points.  Because the neck is drawn from the case body, any varience in wall thickness will show up in the neck too.  If neck wall thickness varies by 0.004", so will the case body, and probably by much more.
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Re: problems with neck runout
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 05:13:20 AM »
Lone star makes a valid point , they may be with-in spec. , give RCBS a call and ask them . If they are out of spec they should replace them free of charge . The number is here .

http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=1

I have a feeling that they will tell you that they are in spec.

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Re: problems with neck runout
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 07:19:52 AM »
Yeah i no that 2ths isn't that bad but i like to stirve for the best round i can load. so Its not that 2 ths is bad but it is not what i want. I agree 100 % about the neck uniformity. that is why i turn all my brass. I no some don't think this is a good thing but i havn't had a problem with it yet. I allso agree with you on the banana but as far as the banana goes after i turn my brass i don't get a build up in the neck on the thick side. they just stretch longer on the thin side noticeable when you trim. now after i fireform a round and it is 1ths or less then resize it and it bends the neck to 2ths with out the expander in there then i figure either the shoulder isn't cut in the die right or the neck isn't. I guess i will have to invest in some expensive dies and hope that i can get a strait one
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