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Favorite .30-06 loads?
« on: February 24, 2007, 04:50:36 PM »
Last November I picked up a used Ruger M77 in .30-06.  The serial number indicates it was made in 1984.  During my temporary stay in Houston I've been shooting factory ammo.

In a week I will be headed back home to Colorado and will add the .30-06 to the list of cartridges I handload.  I'm curious what you folks have found to be the best powders for accuracy and velocity.  I will be loading the following bullets (same as I use for the .308 Win and .300 Win Mag):

Target Bullets
Speer 168g BTHP
Hornady 168g A-MAX

Hunting Bullets
Barnes 168g TSX
North Fork 165g SS
Barnes 180g TSX
Norht Fork 180g SS


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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 10:52:17 PM »
Generally speaking, the .30-06 was built to shoot 150 to 165 gr bullets, depending on the twist rate you can shoot heavier or lighter bullets.  Every 06 that I own does well with either 150 or 165 gr bullets.  They do ok with 180's.   If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that some Ruger .30-06's came through with twists that will work better with the heavier bullets, so knowing what twist you have will really help you.  Especially with a Ruger.

Swift, Barnes and other premium bullets are usually pricey for using at the normal speeds that the reloader puts together for this caliber.  IMO, you gain no extra performance by paying more for premium bullets, and  Boat-Tails are usually better for Target or Varmint shooting than hunting bigger stuff.

It is also not a good idea to use one type of bullet for target and another type for hunting.

Any reloading Manual will give you what you need to know about powder selection and performance, except that they will usually only recommend that you use their bullets. 

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2007, 01:35:12 AM »
My favorite load for the 30/06 uses 165 or 168 grain bullets and Varget.  My Encore 30/06 gives me about 0.5 MOA with Barnes spitzer banded solids and about 1 MOA with Barnes Triple Shocks using this powder.

Also, I disagree about not having different loads for target work and for hunting.  If I were doing a lot of target shooting, the bullets I've found to be very accurate and a lot cheaper than Barnes bullets are Sierra Matchkings and Nosler BTHP match bullets both in the 168 grain bullet version.  Actually, some use these for hunting and I would as well if I were short of funds to buy bullets.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 02:05:44 AM »
My afvorite 06 loads are with a 180 gn spbt or rn at anywhere between 2650 and 2800'/sec.  Mikey.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 02:49:36 AM »
My loads with remington 150 PSPCL and hornady 150 SP is IMR 4350 59.0 grains
with remington 180 PSPCL and Hornady 180 SP  IMR4350  57.0
with Hornady 220 RN Imr 4831 54.0
The 220 grain load is used in a ruger M77 ultralight and it shoots the 220's better then the others  i also use a rem 700 and a rem 760 which dont shoot the 220's as well as the ruger  but well enough to hunt with . but the remingtons are shooting tighter groups with the 150's

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 04:14:43 AM »
Rem case, CCI primer, 57grs IMR4350, 165gr bullet of choice. (for me that's hornady, Core Lokts, NP's and Grand Slams. I've yet to have one of them fail to fetch what I sent them after. :D )

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2007, 06:20:20 AM »
jvs -

Thanks - the info on the Rugers is new to me and I'll check to see if the twist rate on my 1984 rifle is the same as what is currently listed (1-10).

I'm going to respectfully disagree about premium bullets and using different bullets for target and hunting.  My experience with standard cup and core bullets has been disappointing.  The first elk I took fell to a 7mm Rem Mag and a 162g Hornady BTSP Interlock.  The bullet impacted at a velocity of around 2700-2750fps, hit a rib dead center and came to rest under the hide on the off side.  The elk dropped at the shot.  After recovering the bullet it was found to have retained well under half its original weight, even though the challenge to its integrity was pretty minimal.  The following year I switched to a 160g Grand Slams  (this was back in the 80's when they had a harder rear core and a softer front core). It was 20 years before I recovered another bullet.   That one took out both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull elk, a severe challenge to the bullet's integrity.  The bull dropped instantly and again the bullet was recovered under the hide on the off side.  The Grand Slam had retained 70% of its original weight, more than 200% more weight than the Hornady BTSP had retained those many years earlier.

In my opinion the first elk died in spite of the fact that the bullet had failed.  What would have happened if the shot had been quartering away instead of broadside?  Or if I misplaced the first shot and had to take a Texas Heart Shot at a wounded animal intent on putting miles between it and myself?  That first experience convinced me that premium bullets are worth every penny when the target is large. 

Although premium bullets are indeed more expensive, the cost is not that great in the grand scheme of things.  My F250 diesel is pretty much a dedicated hunting truck, based on the purpose of the miles I drive in it.  License plates, inspections, insurance, oil changes and minor maintenance are all pretty much hunting expenses and add up to hundreds of dollars each year.   Some years those hundreds turn into much more due to the need for new tires or major repairs.  Even though I hunt Colorado as a resident and only pay $50 for my elk license, the food and fuel and miscellaneous expenses add up as well.  If I average the total costs over the last several years I am easily spending at least $1500 every year.  Spending extra for premium bullets doesn't cause me any heartburn.  I once calculated that if I started shooting Partitions at $0.50 each instead of my preferred North Fork bullets at $1.00 each, after several years I would save enough to have a glass of cheap wine with my dinner.  Or retire 10 seconds earlier.

Granted, one must practice with the bullets they hunt with, so the monetary savings are greater than indicated in the previous paragraph.  In fact, I tend to shoot a lot and spend several hundred dollars each year working up loads and practicing with premium bullets.  But the fact remains that I spend no more for my ultra-premium handloads than many people pay for cup-and-core factory loads.  If nothing else, the premiums give me piece of mind when taking a shot - confidence that any failure will be due to a failure on my part and not a failure by the bullet.  Last year my hunting buddy Dave and I hunted Three Forks Ranch under Colorado's Ranching For Wildlife program.  The ranch provided us with a free guide whose clients had taken 11 elk out in the previous week.  Of those 11 elk, only 2 had fallen to a single shot.  Dave and I both dropped our elk with a single shot each, doubling the total of one-shot kills to 4.  Dave was shooting Trophy Bonded and I was shooting a North Fork bullet.

What about practice?  I shoot a variety of rifles from .22-250 to .45-70.  The .22-250 gets a pretty steady diet of a single load but the others get a variety.  The .30-30 spends the summer zeroed for a 2500fps 130g bullet then gets rezeroed in the fall for a 2160fps 170g bullet that shoots to a considerably lower point of impact.   The .257 Roberts spends most of its time zeroed for a 3600fps 75g V-MAX but gets rezeroed for a sub-3000fps 115g TSX and 120g A-Frame.  The 7mm Rem mag shoots North Forks extremely well but I have a supply of Grand Slams that I use for most of my practice.  The other rifles have similar stories.  Quite often I will develop target loads that mimic my hunting loads in terms of trajectory and point of impact.

The important thing, in my opinion, is to be competent with the rifle and load being used.  Some folks obtain this competence by shooting the same rifle and load over and over, others obtain it by shooting lots of rifles and loads throughout the year and practicing with a specific rifle and load just before hunting season. Last year I took my .300 Win Mag to the range on a frequent basis, shooting a variety of loads during the summer.  A month or so before hunting season I began to focus on the actual hunting load.  The last trip to the range found us shooting at ranges from 200 yards to 600 yards.  When I took my elk at 260 yards it was pretty much a chip shot.

(See http://www.coyote-hunter.blogspot.com/ )

The .30-06 will be no different than my other rifles in tems of bullet selection.  It will get 168g A-MAX for the long range clay pigeons and probably get 165-168g North Fork and TSX/MRX for hunting.  During the year most of the shooting will be at 200 and 300 with an occasional trip back to 500 and 600.

(FWIW, the .30-06 is the second rifle in my collection that has a very specific non-hunting application.  As a member of the NRA Whittington Center shooting range I can take advantage of the steel silhouette range, where magnums are not allowed.  The .308 Win and .30-06 were both purchased with this range - and the 500-meter rams in particular - in mind.  Fun!)

Thanks again for the info about the ruger twist rates.  The manuals will indeed tell me a lot about potential velocity, but usually little about actual accuracy.  As to the question of premium bullets, we'll probably never agree.  :)
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 06:42:48 AM »
My 30/06 loads are 59.9 gr of IMR4350 behind a 150 gr Hornady bullet. The 165 gr bullet 59 gr of IMR4350.
The 180 gr Hornady bullet 57 gr of IMR4350. I got this loads from Steves Loads and this is what I use.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 01:05:48 PM »
I have always been partial to 165 grain bullets in the .30-06; but that being said, the other day I decided to try some 180's in my Tikka T3.   I am hoping for a moose hunt one of these days and wanted to try some heavier bullets.  I mostly shoot factory loads.  So I got the Federal Premium High Energy load using the 180 grain Nosler Partition.,  This one leaves the muzzle at 2880 fps and has the same trajectory as my 165 gr loads!  I shot one of the best groups I have ever shot at 200 yds -- less than 2 inches and dead center, not bad for an old preacher man.  I think this is the load I'm going to stick with, I love it!  The twist on the Tikka is 1-11.  Rev

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 02:53:55 PM »
Hard to beat a 150 grain CoreLokt (sp).  It about does it all and shoots good to boot.  Hands down, it's my favorite.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 04:45:49 PM »
You, of course, may shoot any bullet you'd like.  Especially if it makes you feel better.  For many years, I have practiced using 200 gr hot core bullets from a .300WM.  Before going hunting, I would switch to Grand Slams, verify my zero and off I'd go.  Using the Hot Core and Grand Slam for an example, if you shoot only 50 rounds a month of each, at the end of the year, you would have spent $150.00 more for the primos.  Nice piece of change that could be used for something else.
If you repeat that for several different rifles, it can really add up.  Can someone explain why its a bad idea to use target bullets for target practice and hunting bullets for hunting??? 
Sorry about your "loss of confidence" in standard bullets.  They've been killing a lot of stuff for a lot of years.  I daresay that the Rem Core Lokt has kilt more deer and probably elk that all of the rest of the bullets combined.  I agree that when one starts shooting magnum cartridges, especially when one chooses a light for calibre bullet at some sort of boyhowdylookwhatIcando velocity, a premium bullet is needed.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 11:07:33 PM »
There certainly is nothing wrong with using two different bullets for hunting and traget.  What I was referring to is - one should not expect exactly the same performance from two different 165 gr bullets.  Shooting premium bullets for target practice, other than sighting in prior to hunting season or load development, would be far too expensive, IMO. 

But hey, if you have the money to spend on using Swift, Barnes or other upper end bullets for target practice, go right ahead and spend it.  But dont expect your premium bullets to land in the same place when shooting at meat that your target loads do for paper.

I have nothing against premium bullets, but they won't make anyone a better hunter in 99.9% of  hunting circumstances.   I dont hunt Moose, I dont hunt Elk or Polar Bear or Elephants.  So why would I need a premium bullet?

It has always been my opinion that until you get into the magnums for very big game at break neck speeds, premium bullets are a waste of money.  What I do firmly believe in though is that you should be able to spend your money any way you want to.

 
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 11:49:37 AM »
  Here's one of my most favorite 30-06 loads...

  100 yards..



  Same load, same gun 200 yards...



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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 01:55:20 PM »
My favorite 30-06 loads

125gr sierra using IMR 4064 OR 4320

150gr Nosler partition or Accubond with 59grs 4350

165gr Nosler partition or Hornady sp 57grs 4350

180gr Nosler partition,Hornady sp,Sierra sp 54grs 4350
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2007, 04:22:33 AM »
Hornady 130gr Spire Point/IMR4064
Sierra 150gr Pro Hunter/IMR4350

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2007, 07:23:12 AM »
Two friends and I own, and load, for the great one. Our community load is about a max load(caveats apply) of H4350. We use RP brass, CCI200 primers 165 Partitions Balistic Tips or Game Kings and 58gns of powder. These three combinations all shoot at least  1.25"  and many sub inch groups in all our guns. capt dp  :) ;D

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2007, 08:41:35 AM »
jvs -


I'm going to respectfully disagree about premium bullets and using different bullets for target and hunting.  My experience with standard cup and core bullets has been disappointing.  The first elk I took fell to a 7mm Rem Mag and a 162g Hornady BTSP Interlock.  The bullet impacted at a velocity of around 2700-2750fps, hit a rib dead center and came to rest under the hide on the off side.  The elk dropped at the shot.  After recovering the bullet it was found to have retained well under half its original weight,


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I have to disagree.  It didn't fail at all.  It did as designed.  Your expectations were those of a premium bullet but on a cup and core design.  The fact is the elk dropped on the spot and died.  The bullet did not come apart, it eroded as it penetrated over 30" of elk bone and muscle.  No it might not have gone far enough to do it from a texas heart shot nut have you ever made that shot with a premium to verify they would?

It's hard to argue with success.  Now had your first elk been hit as you mentioned, took off running for half a mile and required a second shot I'd have to agree.  If the bullet had gone in 10-12 inches and broke up I'd agree, but when you say the only thing it didn't do was retain 20% more weight (you said cup and core was half original and premium was 70%) and exit then you'd be happy.

Yes, a premium bullet will, most if not all the time, penetrate more, but I read of many using Nosler Partitions that do not exit elk and retain about 70-80% of their weight.   A full metal jacket bullet will penetrate beter than any hunting bullet, so penetration in and of itself is not the major killer, but rather tissue damage is.  If a bullet penetrates both lungs of an animal and opens to 300% of its original diameter, then it will impart more tissue damage than a premium bullet that goes in 4" deeper and only opens 200% its original dia.  But to me, here we're splitting hairs, since EVERY one of your hits has killed its target, and very quickly too, it seems.  How is that a failure?

Did it meet the expectations you had of it?  Apparently not, but it did not fair to perform as designed.
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2007, 07:04:40 AM »
I don't get to play with the pricier bullets much and then only the poor partition. My target shooting is mostly just practice for hunting and my bullet for this purpose is the Remington 165 grain PSPCL on top of moderate charges of IMR4895. The sporter weight 2 groove barrel on my sporterized Springfield puts them into clusters just over an inch at 100 yards.  If I really want to make tight groups I use the Sierra 165 grain BTHP and IMR 4350. My main 30-06 hunting load for 25 years or so has been the 180 grain Speer Hotcor spitzer on top of 59.0 grains of H4831. This is max in my rifle and for some reason it gives 2800 fps out of my 22 inch barrel. Not a fancy bullet by any means but with reasonable placement it kills game up tp elk size very handily. I tend to use the CCI 250 with this load as it gets used when it is cold outside.
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2007, 09:03:52 AM »
handirifle –

You are correct that its hard to say a bullet failed if it does the intended job.  I just feel the Hornady Interlock had no margin left.  It failed to meet MY expectations, which are the only expectations a bullet HAS to meet.

The Speer Grand Slams, which I consider a semi-premium served well for many years.  When I recovered one after 20 years of using them, it had encountered far more bone than that Hornady BTSP so many years before.  The Hornady InterLock hit a single rib, dead center, and perhaps nicked a rib on the far side, retaining 77.2g of the original 162g for 47.7%.  The Grand Slam destroyed both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull and still retained 71.1% of its original weight – 113.7g of 160g.  In terms of percent retained weight the difference is only 23.4%, but in terms of actual weight the Grand Slam retained 147% of the weight retained by the InterLock.  That is probably why it took so long to recover one.

Did the Interlock fail?  I guess we could argue that all day – I certainly expected it to do better, but the elk died where it stood.  Chalk one up for marksmanship over bullet integrity.  ;)  (Of course is was only 100-110 yards.   ;D   )
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2007, 07:07:31 AM »
Right now, my load is:

165gr Hornady SP
55.5gr IMR 4350
R-P cases
WLR primers
2688 fps

This is out of a 30 year old Remington 760 with 22" barrel.  Shoots an inch or less at 100 yards.  Never had the urge to run it hotter.

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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2007, 04:50:21 PM »
My 30/06 loads are 59.9 gr of IMR4350 behind a 150 gr Hornady bullet. The 165 gr bullet 59 gr of IMR4350.
The 180 gr Hornady bullet 57 gr of IMR4350.

My Ruger M77 in 06 loves 165 gr bullets with 59 gr of IMR4350 to.  It doesn't seem to matter too much which manufacturer either.  My 3 shot groups using a random mix of different 165 gr bullets normally are around 1", plus or minus 1/4".  This grouping is consistent in different weather conditions without wind influence.  Mine also shoots 200 gr Sierra Gamekings with a charge of 54.5 gr of IMR 4350 into 3/4" groups consistently.  The 220 gr RN shoots 1 1/4" all day long.  I think the rifle shoots better than indicated cause I'm not much of a target shooter, even though I do shoot a lot.  My eyes at my age are not as sharp as once were.  IMR4350 or H4350 should be an excellent propellant for the old war horse.
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2007, 06:52:27 PM »
I'm one of them guys who only use one bullet weight for cartridge. For the .30-06 the 180 grain CoreLokts do everything I want a bullet to do. Bein' retired I don't have enough time to load my own anymore, so the Remington Green Box is plenty good enough for me.  ;)
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Re: Favorite .30-06 loads?
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2007, 04:49:12 AM »
Hornady 165 gr. SST Interlock......Federal Premium 165 gr. TSX.

Both loads shoot 3/4" in my Win. Mdl 70 Featherweight (stainless, McMillian stock, Leupold VarXIII 2.5 X 8).
I can't expect much better from handloads and these are readily available most anywhere.