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Offline mikedb

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223 vs 5.56
« on: February 26, 2007, 01:14:55 PM »
This is not a true reloading question.  However, this is where I will probably get the best answr.  I was always under the impression that 223 Rem. and the 5.56 military were not completely interchangable.  5.56 can chamber a 223 Rem. but not the other way around due to the chamber size.  Lately, I have been seeing 5.56 listed as 223Rem or the 223Rem and 5.56 marked or listed as interchangeable.  I am getting a Savage 223 shortly and would like to know if I can fire the cheap milsurp fodder in it.

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Re: 223 vs 5.56
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 04:30:31 PM »
Just something to consider .

** In 1979, SAAMI cautioned shooters that the 5.56x45mm military chambers and throats differ from the 223 Remington sporting rifle chambers. Therefore military ball ammo may produce high chamber pressures in sporting rifles.

Will post the case drawings for both when i find them , for got were i have them .  ;D

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Re: 223 vs 5.56
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 06:19:15 PM »
Here is some more for what its worth info .

5.56 mm NATO versus .223 Remington
While the 5.56 mm and .223 cartridges are very similar, they are not identical. Military cases are made from thicker brass than commercial cases, which reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. The 5.56 mm chambering, known as a NATO or mil-spec chambers, have a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the rifling engages the bullet. The .223 chambering, known as SAAMI chamber, is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[1] or the Armalite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm and .223 equally well.

Using commercial .223 cartridges in a 5.56-chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223-chambered gun due to the excessive lead.[2] Using 5.56 mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223-chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[3] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56 mm, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56 mm ammunition.[4]

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Re: 223 vs 5.56
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 06:30:26 PM »
Most AR-15 rifles says you can use either.
But go with what simpylu says.... firing 5.56X45 ammo in a .223 chamber could cause problems. Better be safe than sorry.

Dennis ;)