Question about 45-70 ammo

[holahead]

I know handloading is best but I have not got into it yet but plan to in the future.So my question is I have narrowed down to two that I want try out and was wondering what ya'll might think or know about them. I want to try Remington 405gr SP first I can get them local everyday.Anything else I will have to order. My second choice is the Remington 300gr HP. Here is my situation whitetail deer anywhere from 75-150 pounds.Range never over 100 yards more often than not will be 50 yards or less. So can anyone help me out please.


                                                              THANKS

[McLernon]

I would think that 300 gr HP in trapdoor loads would be plenty for your purpose

Mc

[burntmuch]

I think either one will be fine. The 405 s shot pretty good out of mine. 4-5 inch group at 80yrds iron sights.

[Stan in SC]

I don't like shooting 405's.I mainly shoot handloaded 300 Grain Remington HP bullets.

[quickdtoo]

If you want more umph, the Buffalo Bore or Garrett ammo would be a couple options, but they're more than needed for deer and they're also expensive!! The Remington 300gr are good as are the Winchester 300gr which are available with 2 different bullets, the Supreme with the Nosler Partition Gold and the standard 300gr JHP. Federal also has a great load. If I were using factory ammo for deer, I'd choose the best shooting of the 300gr offerings, they're much flatter shooting than the 405gr Rem. The new Hornady Leverevolution ammo would be a good choice if it shoots good.

Tim

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#4570

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=318332

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=269092

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=413144

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=SPG4570&cart=NDUtNzAgR292ZXJubWVudA==

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=X4570H&cart=NDUtNzAgR292ZXJubWVudA==

[burntmuch]

Good luck with the Hornady stuff. Every time I go to try some, thy re sold out. I guess thats a good sign

[Terrible Tom]

For the animals and range you state, any--and I mean any 45-70 ammo will be more than enough.

I'd recommend the Rem 405 for one reason--you can get it locally without any waiting.  That factory load is good for practically anything.

Lots of folks will badmouth the Rem 405 bullet for jacket separation but those folks are handloading the bullet to velocities in excess of the bullets design.  It might not be my first choice for large brown bears, but I would expect the bears to die just the same if I could hit 'em square...

[holahead]

Just one more question for ya'll and I will leave ya'll for now. On the 405gr. the drawback is that it does not shoot as flat?Am I right on this.I think I am going to try the 300gr. first but I have never used hollow points for hunting so what should I look for. Thanks ya'll are a real big help.

[poncaguy]

Hornady Lever rounds are very accurate in my Handi, all I'll use when I hunt deer from  now on..................

[doeroller]

Before I got dies for my 45-70 I shot green box Remington. They are plenty for deer. Shoot real good in my Buff Classic and have better teminal performance than any of my other centerfire rifles where the rubber meets the road. The 300gr Rem at 1900 fps kills like lightning.

[Joel]

It's been a lot of years since I shot factory out of mine; but I did start out shooting 300 gr JHP's.  In my NEF, the Federal and Winchester loads shot to 1 inch groups at 100 yds.  The Remington groups were more like 11 inches...might be the other way around in your rifle. All 3 will kill deer at the ranges you are talking about for fun.  Actually at those ranges it's a moot point whether the 300's shoot flatter than then 405's because they're all easy to sight in for 100 yds or less.

[OSOK]

I can help you out on this one. I killed a nice buck this past season, using my Buffalo Classic and the Remington 300 grain load. Range was 25 yards. Entrance wound was as big around as your thumb. Exit wound was as big around as your hand. Almost no blood-shot meat, and he fell in his tracks and never twitched.

[BANG_OW]

OSOK,
          Good job! What front sight insert did you use? My guess is that you filled your globe with hair and let er rip! I'm leaning toward the bead on the vertical post, but the Lee Shaver inserts have caught my attention.
thanks,
Don

[Mac11700]

I know handloading is best but I have not got into it yet but plan to in the future.So my question is I have narrowed down to two that I want try out and was wondering what ya'll might think or know about them. I want to try Remington 405gr SP first I can get them local everyday.Anything else I will have to order. My second choice is the Remington 300gr HP. Here is my situation whitetail deer anywhere from 75-150 pounds.Range never over 100 yards more often than not will be 50 yards or less. So can anyone help me out please.


                                                              THANKS

Just one more question for ya'll and I will leave ya'll for now. On the 405gr. the drawback is that it does not shoot as flat?Am I right on this.I think I am going to try the 300gr. first but I have never used hollow points for hunting so what should I look for. Thanks ya'll are a real big help.

First off for a 75-100 lb deer never over 100 yards any of the trapdoor loads will suffice...and you won't have to worry about how flat they are shooting...Second...the 405 Rm factory load while a good load..probably isn't the best choice...and I wouldn't recommend it...It will work...but there are better factory loads available for small deer...and the 300 grain loads would be my first choice for your hunting needs...As too which one...it will depend on how accurate you want them to be...and I've had better luck with the Winchester Supreme and the Federal Power Shocks out of mine getting them to group extreamly well...neither is cheap though...and both are loaded to higher velocity than the trapdoor loads...so expect recoil to be much higher...and prepare for it by installing a good recoil pad like a Limbsaver or Pachmayer...add a soft neoprene shell holder with some foam rubber under it for your cheek to remove any face slap you'll get...and add some weight to the stock...It sounds like a-lot...but it will make your 45-70 much more manageable...and something I have been recommending here for years...45-70 ammo has gone up in price significantly in the last year along with everything else..so the sooner you get reloading...the better it will be for ya..

Good Luck

Mac

[holahead]

Thanks guys I knew I could count on ya'll to help me out. Mac I got me a reloading book the other day and have been reading it for a few nights now so maybe it won't be to long before I jump in to handloading.

[quickdtoo]

The .45-70 is easy to load for using the Lee Classic Loader, for a minimal investment, you could be reloading in short order!

Tim

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/51

[holahead]

Tim you must be reading my mind I was just over at midway usa looking at them I think I might have to give it a chance.

[Q]

Hands down the Hornady Lever Evolution 325grn at 2050fps will take down anything you want. You realy don't have to think about bullit placment with this one. I went thru all the flat shooting tack driving BP with T/Cs and Encore's. I liked them for interchangabilty of barrels. I had from 17hmr-25-06. but one 357 with a 12" brl gave me 2"groups at 100yrds with factory loads. I was going to get a 357 Maximum brl for the Encore when I was shown this 325grn Horn. rnd. I bought a box 2 months befor I got the NEF to shoot it. The day I went too the range I fired all 20 rnds. At 50yrds the first 7 touched and at 100 yrds 9 were within 3". I know I can do better but the set up was wrong. I took off the 3X9 rifle scope and put a 2X32 shotgun scope on. This gives me about a 6" distance that I think is needed. My plans also include tamming the action down in the future but until then I may use a shoulder pad if I shoot more than 3 rnds. After I shot it at 50yrds no changes were made for 100yrds. It was right on target. If you use shoot and sees for a target you won't need a spotting scope at 100yrds. I sold my T/C and Encore because I found the rnd I was after. Q