Author Topic: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye  (Read 937 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rugerfan01

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 96
  • Gender: Male
Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« on: February 28, 2007, 01:08:13 PM »
Well I ordered a miles gilbert glass bedding kit for my 77 hawkeye 7mm/08, This will be my first attempt to do one myself.
I just havent had the luck with the groups that I have had with my other rugers. 1 1/2 is about as good as I gotten with it  with my handloads. 130 grain speer bt over Imr 4350, RL15, varget, and H 4895. Tried different seating depths, about exhausted all my troubleshooting skills.

Does any of the knowledge here have any words of wisdom on the glass bedding job?
Thanks 

Offline Cement Man

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1265
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 09:07:25 AM »
Rugerfan,
From your post, not sure where you are at with "troubleshooting" this rifle.  Do you intend to just bed the action?  Here are some thoughts you might try first, if you haven't already:
1.  Scope and mounts OK?
2.   Some rifles respond favorably to a little more tip pressure - easy to try with a business card or match book cover under the barrel.
3.  More of them respond to free floated barrels - sand paper, magic marker, and sealant.
4.  Action screws tightened correctly?
5.  Barrel crown look good? 
6.  Inspect how action fits into stock - any inletting issues?  (bedding will help this, sometimes just a bit of "cleanup" helps.)
7.  Check with Ruger customer service.  Ruger does want to you to have an accurate rifle. Since it is a Hawkeye, it must be new, so you might have a conversation with them before doing any "surgery".

Maybe you have done a lot of these things, I don't know.  Just trying to suggest some other things to look at that could be affecting your accuracy.
Good luck!
CIVES ARMA FERANT - Let the citizens bear arms.
POLITICIANS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO TERMS - ONE IN OFFICE AND ONE IN PRISON.... Illinois already does this.

Offline rugerfan01

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 96
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 01:24:35 PM »
Thanks for the reply Cemetman, I have tried two different scopes and now have a new Nikon Monarch that Im going to try. I havent tried the tip pressure as of yet but I will try it before I go all the way. I am going to try to get some reference points also. It looks like it has a pressure point in the tip. I want to get the reference point so I can get back to where it was before if I do the free floating.
What is the correct tightening sequence for the action screws? I always try to tighten it evenly from front to back.
Also do you use the magic marker to show the high spots to remove or do you use another material?
The crown looks good to me. No visable signs of nicks or burrs.
I mean a 1 1/2 aint bad but i think it should do better, especially with handloads.
Again thanks for the reply.

Offline BlkHawk73

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1501
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 02:57:14 PM »
  Try different loads as well.  Just becasue the load you like isn't shooting well, doesn't mean the gun itself is inaccurate.  It just isn't the load the gun likes.  The bullet, powder, charge are all variable factors which may need to be altered.  Rule out all other possible factors before doing anything irreversable.
"Never Surrender, Just Carry On."  - G.S.

Offline rugerfan01

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 96
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 03:10:46 PM »
Ive tried different powders and primers and seating depths, however what I havent tried much of has been different bullets.
Ive got a new box of 139 gr interlock hornady flat base that Im going to try some of time and weather permitting.
Ive tried speer 130 grain boat tails and 140 grain nosler solid bases another boat tailed bullet. I want to rule out that much of it anyway.
Thanks for the reply

Offline Cement Man

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1265
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007, 02:26:51 AM »
rugerfan,
I've seen two action screw sequences for the M77 - both agree - front first and very snug, as this angled screw pulls the action into the bedding of the stock.  Ruger recommends then alternating the tightening of the rear and middle screws until they are both evenly "snug".  The other way I have seen, and I think it makes sense, is to tighten front first (very snug), rear 'snug" next, and the middle just barely snug, and never more than that.  I have some torque values for my model 70's and a torque screw driver  I use for them, but I have never seen numbers for M77's.  I think this factor is significant with all non-pillar bedded rifles, soI believe I will call Ruger and try to get a number from them.  "Snug" and "very snug", etc. can vary a lot between gun owners due to interpretation.  You probably know, but I'll say it anyway, don't tighten like the lug nuts on your car.  Screws are powerful and can distort things, and they need to hold a well bedded action tightly in place - but if the action is not fitting firmly against a good bed, then the screws won't make up for it no matter how tight, and between the three (screws) of them they can distort the barreled action as it sits in the stock.
As far as the tip pressure on the stock, the bad part is that this is something that can either be good, or bad.  The good part is that it is easily remedied.  I believe about 10# pressure is a fair range to work around.  Tht's not a whole lot, just firm.  Something you can do with your fingers by gently lifting the barrel away from the stock at the end and seeing how the business card, (or cards) slide in there.  A matchbook cover is thicker.  If, under no help from you, it's pretty firmly gripped there, you probably have adequate tip pressure.  Shoot it like that and see if there are are any changes.  Again - go lightly and slowly.  You can always remove the tip ridge with sandpaper, and you can always restore it with some bedding compund and trim with sandpaper.
Probably more often, the answer is to free float the barrel.  Sorry, I wan't more clear - the magic marker is to wrap the sandpaper around.  Of course any round cylindrical object 3/4" or so, will do.  You want the barrel to be consistently free of (variable) stock contact under all conditions.  Again, take your time, check often with something to gauge the clearance you are creating, and re-seal against moisture when done.
I hope this helps - I am not a gunsmith, so take it all as well-meaning opinion.  Go slow and easy with everything.
I agree with you on your accuracy expectations.  Rugers often need a little tweaking like we are talking about, and the older ones (without the new trigger I have heard about) usually benefit from some trigger work or replacement, but I personally believe Rugers are often way underestimated in their accuracy.  I am more of a hunter and casual shooter, but my Rugers shoot as well as I work at my shooting, and I have several friends who really take their riflery seriously and they get fantatstic results with their Rugers.  I think they make pretty fine barrels now, and although  1 1/2" is very good hunting accuracy - I think yours will do better.  The other thing I would repeat - they have a very good customer service reputation and they do want you to have an accurate rifle.
CIVES ARMA FERANT - Let the citizens bear arms.
POLITICIANS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO TERMS - ONE IN OFFICE AND ONE IN PRISON.... Illinois already does this.

Offline rugerfan01

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 96
  • Gender: Male
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2007, 12:13:57 PM »
Cement Man, thanks for your opinion, it sounds like a good one to me, and I will try all of the above.
I to am more of a hunter and a casual shooter. Growing up you couldnt have given me a truck load of bolt action rifles, nobody around here owned one much less hunted with one. You couldnt have made me believe that anything out there would out shoot a rem 742 probably with the barrell shot almost out. lol. But times change and so has hunting., and so have my rifles.
I love a good bolt gun now and havent had to do any rapid firing since I got one. LOL.
 I have mostly Rugers and all of them shoot really well sub moa with my handloads and I am pretty confident that with some help I can work through this.
Again thanks

Offline Coyote Hunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2534
Re: Glass bedding my 77 hawkeye
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 06:25:17 PM »
rugerfan01 -


Like Cement Man I use a Magic Marker to wrap the sandpaper around.  My rifles don't go to the range until I've free-floated them.
  Like you, I have had excellent results with them, all sub-MOA except a used .30-06 I picked up last November and have only shot factory ammo through.  It seems to be a consistent 1-1/4" with factory ammo, but we got home yesterday (first time since early November) and I picked up some dies.  I suspect handloads will make it sing...
Coyote Hunter
NRA, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!