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M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« on: March 03, 2007, 06:25:11 AM »
I realize that all barrels are different, but I would appreciate some advice regarding the most likely sweet spot when resting the barrel on a benchrest or cross sticks  :-\

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2007, 10:38:05 AM »
Don't rest the barrel at all, rest the forearm.

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2007, 01:10:52 PM »
Sharps4590

Do you get better accuracy with it resting on the forearm? Im new to this bpcr stuff but when i tried my roller 40-65 out for the first time
it wouldnt even group. It just threw out wide patterns. When I started puting the barrel on the rest I started hitting.
When my health is better I hope to test my Pedersoli sharps out. I will try it your way first i think.

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 05:00:26 PM »
Tom --- check out this topic on the MSN BPCR site re barrel node or sweet spot-- seems to work for me when I tried it at the range.

http://groups.msn.com/BPCR/general.msnw?action=get_message&ID_Message=32234&ShowDelete=0&CDir=-2

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 11:51:11 AM »
MLR....due to the distance to any sanctioned matches or any other kind of long range match where BPC rifles are fired I haven't been to one in several years.  Perhaps I spoke out of turn and things have changed in the last 7-8 years.

Back when I was active and had a 520 yard range in my back yard we never rested the barrel on cross sticks, always the forearm.  Also, when shooting from a bench with front sandbag adjustable rest and a butt bag we never rested the barrel on the rest.  Always the forearm.  To my knowledge that's been the preferred way of shooting off a rest of any kind for a long time.  My groups and the groups of my contemporaries at the time were nearly identical, whether shooting from cross sticks or a rest.  It took MOA out to 500 yards to win as we didn't shoot only steel silouhettes.  In addition to silouhettes we had bulls eye and gongs.  Usually the person who took the bulls eye string won.   
 
Any time a new guy showed up and was resting his barrel on the sticks or rest we just waited.  I don't recall that anyone using that method shot well and almost always said something to the effect that he didn't have all the bugs worked out of his load and/or rifle.  Usually someone would suggest he rest the forearm and not the barrel and shoot a group on the bulls eye just to see if it mattered.  Every time it was as if a light came on.  When the barrel is rested on a solid object it will bounce around in a most inconsistent manner and accuracy will suffer accordingly.  For whatever reason, it doesn't when the forearm is rested.

As I said, perhaps things have changed as I see cross sticks advertised that have a sort of sling to rest the forearm, or barrel, in.  I suppose resting the barrel in something soft would have a different effect from resting it on something hard.  I've never used such sticks so I have no knowledge or experience with them.

How does your rifle shoot from a bench when using proper front rest and butt bag?  If it shoots good then it should shoot good when using proper technique from cross sticks.  Ultimately you should use what works for you.  For me, that was always off the forearm.  Resting the barrel threw groups that looked more like a shotgun pattern than a rifle group. 

I'd be curious to hear what works best for you.  Ain't never to old to learn!

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 07:34:16 AM »
Sharps4590

This is very interesting. When I first got my rolling block I shot it with the forearm on the rest. It was spraying bullets everywhere.
A fella at the range suggested that I move the front rest out nearer the muzzle. It work great and I started shooting groups.
This is the complete opposite of what happens with modern rifles that I have. When I am able Im going to try both methods
on my new rifle. It will also be loaded with BP.

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Re: M1885 Browning .40-65 BPCR Sweet Spot?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 08:39:01 AM »
Gents and Madams,

My most often used BPC Rifle is a Browning 1885 BPCR model in factory chambered .40-65.  It has seen more then a few thousand rounds down the factory barrel and can obviously shoot better then the operator.

Having said that can attest to the "sweet spot" conversations and discussions as (IMO) being more or less a waste of time and ammunition.

Think back to your grade school days and the teeter-todder that consisted of a plank over a raised piece of horizontal pipe.  Depending on the board's fulcrum point selected one end or the other had a tremendous leverage advantage.  Basically the same condition exits to some degree with putting a rifles forend on a set of cross-sticks!  For every breath taken when a forearm or slightly ahead of the forearm barrel cross-stick mount the front sight moves in proportion to the fulcrum point.  Moving the barrel and cross-stick mount to be a few inches from the muzzle calms the barrel movement due to the fulcrum point being so far forward. 
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