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ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« on: March 04, 2007, 10:47:05 AM »
well all sounded well untill i read all these post that say's you cant use lee dies! that is all i use for pistols and all i want to use for now. So now i have a choice between rcbs and dillion? do either have a probelm with lee dies. what all would it take to get a dillion 550 up and going? the press is only 379.00 but what else do i need. if i go the rcbs 2000 way how would it compare to the dillion?
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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 11:00:06 AM »
While I don't use Lee sizing or seating diesin my Hornady I do use the Lee crimp die.
Works just fine

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 02:56:30 PM »
Hello Mstake,
I have had my L-N-L for about a month now and thats what I am using on it is Lee dies ;D

Whoever told you that Lee dies don't work on the Hornady is mistaken ???

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2007, 02:59:12 PM »
One bad thing about the internet.
Everyone is an xpert!

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 05:38:17 PM »
Dillon owns the progressive reloading market, nobody gave that to them, they earned it! 

Yes you can use Lee or any other brand of dies on a Dillon.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 04:29:38 AM »
Get the Dillon, you won't be sorry!!! :)

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 07:17:13 AM »

Get the Dillon, I have been using mine for... I think my son was around 5 when I got mine, and he is in his 20's now, so a long time. I have loaded everything from .45, 9mm, .223, 6.5mm TC/U, 30-06, 32-20, and I know a few others over the years and I have had Zero problems out of it. They have a first rate CS department too.

I also use Lee single stage for my BPCR stuff, and have never had a problem out of Lee single stage presses, but for progressive go with the Dillon.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 07:23:32 AM »
I've never heard anyone with a Dillon complain about a Dillon.  I've wondered about a progressive press myself for a while now and back to one of the original posts questions........ Once the $380 press is bought, what other parts/pieces do you need to be able to get going?

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2007, 04:54:56 PM »
I've never heard anyone with a Dillon complain about a Dillon. 

Don't follow the 'net much do you? There isn't a brand of anything out there for which there are not disatisfied customers. Dillon usually treats theirs pretty well, and has a good product. But it ain't perfect.

If you look around the various forums, there are a few reloaders that have switched from Dillon to Hornady (LNL AP), and prefer the Hornady. There are also a few the other way, but my point is, Dillon has serious competition from Hornady now, and that's a good thing. Keeps them both on their toes.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2007, 05:43:09 PM »
Don't follow the 'net much do you? There isn't a brand of anything out there for which there are not disatisfied customers. Dillon usually treats theirs pretty well, and has a good product. But it ain't perfect.

If you look around the various forums, there are a few reloaders that have switched from Dillon to Hornady (LNL AP), and prefer the Hornady. There are also a few the other way, but my point is, Dillon has serious competition from Hornady now, and that's a good thing. Keeps them both on their toes. Andy

There are also Hornady LNL and RCBS progressive users that have upgraded to a Dillon.  Dillon isn't perfect, neither are anybody elses machines, but generally speaking Dillon has the most satisfied customers in the progressive reloader market.

People don't upgrade from a Dillon.



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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 12:31:57 AM »
[.  Dillon isn't perfect, neither are anybody elses machines, but generally speaking Dillon has the most satisfied customers in the progressive reloader market.

People don't upgrade from a Dillon.

Where do you get those "facts"? 96% of statistics are made up!
LOL
I sold my dillon stuff and have switched to Hornady.  oops   people don't do that

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 01:35:15 AM »
I must not read the net much, even though I rarely have ever read that anyone didn't like their Dillon.

Hairtrigger,  What is it about the Hornady L-N-L that you like more than a Dillon?  I'm still debating on what's the better one for me to buy.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2007, 02:43:58 AM »
Check with the competition shooters that load thousands of rounds a year and you will see the overwhelming majority of them use DILLON presses. When they have the World championships they list the type of gun, bullet, holsters, and reloading presses used, 98% use DILLON. Guess why? If there were something out there better, they would be using it!!! :)

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 06:47:23 AM »
I must not read the net much, even though I rarely have ever read that anyone didn't like their Dillon.

Hairtrigger,  What is it about the Hornady L-N-L that you like more than a Dillon?  I'm still debating on what's the better one for me to buy.

Well just look at the parts breakdown for a L-N-L and a dillon 650. The Hornady has 1/3 less parts. Dillon uses a bunch of small plastic parts and springs. Dillon sells a spare parts kit for each machine. I believe simpler in this case = better. Less complicated.
I like the way my Hornady has left hand shell insertion and bullet insertion, this way I keep my right hand on the handle all the time.
Hornady is a bit less cost especially for caliber conversions and uses a better powder measure.
I have never heard of a primer in the primer tube getting set off in a Hornady.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 06:57:46 AM »
I have never heard of a primer going off in any progressive press tube.  That concerns me because earlier today I decided on a Dillon 550B and it's on the way.  For the cost difference I'd just go ahead and go with the "old reliable" of progressive reloading.  Even though it would be awesome if Dillon would offer a similar deal for bullets like the Hornady deal.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2007, 07:40:29 AM »
I have never heard of a primer going off in a Dillon primer tube. There is no telling how many thousnds of primers have been through my DILLON primer tubes. I broke a decapping rod on one of my sizing dies (completely my fault), I called DILLON to order a replacement, and they sent me one no charge and told me how to correct the problem. You cannot beat DILLONS no BS waranty. They do sell replacement parts kits, but the only thing I've used is the spring for the primer return. I promise you will not be sorry you got the DILLON. ;)

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2007, 10:48:31 AM »
yup, you will never regret gettting the dillon.   never.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 10:50:58 AM »
From the sounds of it, I don't think many people would regret getting a Hornady LNL either.  Based on what I've read from people on both sides it sounds like it's both work exceptionally well.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 11:24:21 AM »
just a matter of if you would blow the extra bucks on reloading equipment or guns/ammo

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 04:58:20 PM »
I have never heard of a primer going off in a Dillon primer tube.

A couple of years ago there was a thread on one of the major reloading boards with pics showing a blown up 650 priming mechanism. Seems a primer in the "disk" let go, and caused a chain reaction back to the tube, and set those off too. The mechanism was ruined (cracked/bent), but it stayed intact, venting the majority of the blast up at the ceiling. I have not seen pics of same in 550/1050's, which transfer one primer at a time, directly from the bottom of the tube to the shell being primed. The LNL AP uses a similar priming system to the 550/1050.

For years, Dillon was virtually the only game in town for progressive reloading. Now they have competition. Everyone wins.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2007, 05:33:21 PM »

That is interesting, I had never heard of the 650 blow up, I will have to look at that one. I know it would be real hard to get one to go off in the 550, not saying it can't be done because just as soon as I do I will figure out the perfect way to do it  ;D ;D

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2007, 05:45:28 PM »
The way the 550 works the only primer blow ups have been from someone sticking a primer in the tube and trying to hammer it out, I had a primer stick one time, it had a bur on it, but it was easily pushed out by finger pressure, the bur was just enough that it wouldn't feed.  Dillon advises never try to clear a stuck primer, just call them and they will send you a replacement no charge.
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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2007, 07:21:03 AM »
The Dillon has been on the market a long time and have great customer service, as a result, Dillon users are extremely dedicated to their blue presses, which is as it should be with satisfied customers. The Dillon's are EXCEPTIONAL presses and do an exceptional job in reloading. The guys that have Dillon’s are very satisfied. The competition to the Dillon is the Hornady Lock and Load Auto Progressive. Because most of the Dillon users are so satisfied I was swamped with comments like, "The Hornady L-n-L is Junk!" I asked if they had ever loaded on the L-n-L and 99% said no. When I did find someone that had experience with both presses, most liked the L-n-L and many had sold their Dillon's and bought the L-n-L.

IMHO the Dillon has one major shortcoming and most Dillon owners will agree if they are honest. The Dillon powder measure is sorely lacking in ease of use and adjustability. It meters ball type powder very well but flake type powder less so. And, extruded stick type powder is VERY troublesome and not all that accurate. To be fair, extruded powder is difficult in all powder measures. But, the L-n-L powder measure handles all types of powder MUCH better than the Dillon. Also, it is a pain to swap out the Dillon powder measure to another die plate. As a result, many owners have several powder measures on separate die plates for changing calibers. This significantly drives UP the COST.

Also, the Dillon gets filthy as the old primers are caught in a cup after they have rolled off the side of the press. The L-N-L spent primers are dropped thru a plastic tube and into the trash or bottle or whatever you want to use. The point is, the dirt off the spent primers does not foul the workings of the press. As a result, the L-N-L IS MUCH CLEANER TO USE THAN THE DILLON.

The Dillon 550 has 4 die stations and the L-N-L has 5 stations. The Dillon 650 has 5 stations but, costs significantly more. Also, the Dillon 550 does not auto index, the L-n-L does. The Dillon 650 DOES auto index, but again, at more cost.

Next, the L-N-L uses a really slick bushing system for mounting loading dies to the press. It makes changing calipers and SNAP. After a die is adjusted for whatever you are loading you can remove the die from the press with an 1/8 turn and insert a different die. Each die has it's own bushing. The Dillon uses a die plate. The Dillon die plate costs more than L-N-L bushings. Another neat feature with the Hornady is that you can buy a bushing conversion setup and use the same bushings on your RCBS, Lyman or other single stage press and the L-N-L!

Additionally, the L-N-L seems to be built like a tank! The ram is about 2"+ in diameter and the basic press is similar in construction to the RCBS Rockchucker. I would say that a side-by-side comparison to the either the Dillon 550 OR 650, the L-N-L is at least as sturdily built. And, In some areas I think the L-N-L is better built. i.e., The massive ram, powder measure, and primer system. The head/top of the press is solid except for where the dies are inserted. The Dillon has a large cutout that is needed for their die plates. By just looking, it would seem the L-N-L would be stronger. But, of course, that may not be the case.
There is one piece that can get damaged on the L-N-L. There is a coil spring that holds the cases in the shell holder that can get crushed if you improperly change shell holders. That's the bad news. The good news is that they are only about $2-3 and they won't get crushed if you change shell plates correctly. The other good news is that this spring is the primary reason that while loading you can easily remove a case at any station. With the Dillon you have to remove pins in order to take a shell out of a shell plate.

You can load anything on both the Dillon and L-N-L from .25 ACP to 500 N.E. Realistically, I would say that people with progressive loaders mostly load pistol ammo about 99% of the time. After using the L-N-L for while I feel confident that my Grandkids will be using when I'm gone.

In summary, the Hornady L-N-L has all the features of the Dillon 650 but is much cheaper. Changing calipers is faster and cheaper. The powder measure on the L-N-L is VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THE DILLON, at least in my opinion. Hornady has changed the design of their powder dies and now allow case belling and powder drop at one time,  just like the Dillon.  I bought the L-N-L and am very satisfied. A shooting buddy of mine is a long time, dedicated Dillon user. He has three! After giving me a ration of "stuff" about my choice, he came over and used my L-N-L and sheepishly said, "That's a very nice setup!!"


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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2007, 06:32:55 PM »
Waldog,

Thanks for the rundown on the L-N-L, I have been wanting to see one in action for awhile, yes I am a die hard Dillon user ;) but I don't bash things I have never tried. Would I switch if I found the L-N-L to be better, if there was enough difference then I might do it, would I sell the Dillon, nope, got to have as many presses as ya can get right?  ;D ;D

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2007, 01:00:09 AM »
I have had acouple of sets of Lee dies with the rubber lock under the locking nut and had to turn the nut over to get it to lock as the die body is so short. They will work, but are a pain I don`t need. I`m the guy, or one of them, that thinks all Lees stuff is junk. I`ve had alot of it since I started reloading in 1965 and sooner or later it`s all let me down. If you`ve got it and it`s working keep on useing it. If you don`t have don`t buy it. That`s my best advice.

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2007, 02:29:16 AM »
Could somebody explain to me about the hornady shell plates, and case feeder plates?  Other than just the press, what accessories do you have to buy to get started?

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Re: ok hornadyl-n-l out Now what? rcbs or dillion progressive
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2007, 12:30:48 PM »
The press uses a shell plate instead of a shell holder, other than that you will need dies.
If you get the case feeder, you will need the correct plate for that also

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Re: OK Hornady-n-l out Now what? RCBS or Dillon progressive
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2007, 01:40:04 PM »
My .02 on this, I upgraded my Rock Checker to Redding T-7 turret press, only because my wife got a BUY on it, or I would be owning a RCBS turret press. I am sure that Dillon makes great stuff, but for a shooter that would shoot less than 500/ month, both rifle and pistol, the progressive press is not in my picture. Reloading has become a hobby to me, not a necessity.
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