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Offline AiredaleTerrier

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Encore misfires...help
« on: March 04, 2007, 03:57:47 PM »
I think I've read on here somewhere that others have had this problem, but can't seem to find it now.  I reloaded some rounds for my Encore in 243 (9 of them), two wouldn't fire, and two didn't fire the first time.  All components have been bought in the last month.  I'm using Hodgdon H380 and Winchester standard large rifle primers.  I've never had any problems with any of the factory rounds I've fired through this gun.  Any help would be greatly appreciated...

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 04:00:00 PM »
If you have a hammer extension on it, that has been reported to cause problems. Remove it and see if the problems goes away.

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 04:10:57 PM »
No hammer extension and it is the standard Encore (not PH).  I think I read where one guy put in a stronger spring and that cured it, does this sound right?  I this the way to fix things, or will it cause other problems down the road?  Is it something I did wrong with my reloading components?  Thanks Tim...
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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2007, 06:29:04 PM »
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Yes some TCs have been known to have a light hammer fall leading to FTF problems , the H&R Handis have it too sometimes , you may want to post this ?? in the TC forum , i'm sure that someone there has had this problem before and can tell you what needs done to cure it .

It could also be a head space problem were the case is in the chamber to far and not letting the firing pin make full contact with the primer , did you FL size the brass or just neck size ? if FL you may have bumped the sholder back to far .

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 06:36:11 PM »
A stronger hammer spring is available, I have one in mine, but I haven't shot it yet. There was a headspace problem with my .375H&H PH barrel, not only is there a gap at the breech, but also the headspace at the belt is too much, I solved the problem by forming a false shoulder on the neck so it eliminated the excess headspace. This is a problem associated with belted mags, but the gap between the chamber face of the barrel and standing breech compounds the problem and could indeed cause FTFs.

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2007, 11:31:47 PM »
I dont have an encore but my 7 waters contendor is very sensitive to headspacing. If i just neck size once fired brass it never misses a beat but if i full lenght size i get a missfire about one in 20 rounds.
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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 12:09:59 AM »
A weak hammer spring or excess headspace could both cause your problem as noted by posters above.

In addition, it's possible your firing pin is too short.  The firing pin can be damaged by hot loads.  This can happen in one of two ways.  A pierced primer will let hot gas back that acts like a blow torch on the firing pin thus shortening it.  A hot load can also cause the action to spring a little trapping the firing pin in the primer crater and making the action difficult to open.  When one uses sufficient force to open the action, a part of the tip of the firing pin is sheared off.

The firing pin is easy to replace in the Encore (how do I know?).  There is an Allen headed screw under the hammer that needs to be removed.  Since there isn't much room to get an Allen wrench in there, it's easiest to grind one down to the appropriate size.  Once that's loosened, you can easily remove the firing pin, spring, etc.

Hard primers could also cause an ignition problem.  Unless you're using military spec primers, this shouldn't happen.  Actually, it shouldn't happen even with military spec primers but it may anyway.

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 12:39:01 AM »
If the above advice doesn't help, check pirmer seating depth.  If the primer isn't seated fully the strike of the firing pin will seat the primer and cause an indentation and fully seating it, giving the impression that it was seated fully to begin with.  When that happens, the priming compound shatters and will not fire with the second strike.

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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2007, 06:17:31 AM »
Had the very same problem with a Contender.
Called T/C. Very nice- said to ship them the gun, fixed at no charge. Got it back in 4 weeks and all has been well, no more mmisfires and they upgraded the gun to the newer specs.
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Re: Encore misfires...help
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2007, 04:06:40 PM »
The brass I used was new Winchester and I did full length resize it.  I'm new to reloading metallic cartridges.  These were the first metallic cartridges I've done.  I primed them with the Lee auto prime.  I used the "thumb test" to see if they were seated all the way.  This could very well be the problem.  They all "seemed" to be seated.  I really appreciate all the help so far!  Black and white print can't express the gratitude.  Trying to figure this out should keep me busy for a while.  Thanks again...
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