Author Topic: Savage model 93 17HMR (Read 1828 times)

backstrap · « **on:** March 06, 2007, 08:08:11 PM »

I have savage model 93 17hmr and it has a senthitec stock on it i shot it 3 days ago sighting in in for the cci tnt JHP and they grouped well but didnt seem to want to sight in very well any way i got it to hitting the bullseve ok and then i shot it the next evening and it was shooting low left so i moved it to the bullseye and shot it some more they seemed to be moveing on the target pretty bad and i was shooting of a bench with sand bags so i know it wasnt me well any way it wasnt the scope base made sure it was good and tight so i changed scope brand new one as the first one was it didnt seem to like the cci JHP eather so whats going on here does this rifle need pressure points on the barrel or what i dont like the stock but thats what i have and will have to deal with it so i sighted it in with the fed v-max load i will have to shoot it tommorw to see if it held zero but i ran a peace of paper under the barrel and the barrel is floated this is a sporster model i guess u would call it its not a heavy barrel have u ever heard any thing like this kinda makes me mad

seams like the more i shoot the gun the worse it shoots it shot killer the first week or so i had it now it just seems to be going down hill

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2007, 08:10:18 PM »

What range are you shooting and what kind of scope ya got on it? If the scope has an adjustable objective, is it set right so it's parallax free?

Tim

MOGLEY · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:33:21 AM »

you just described my gun!! exactly. In my case, I just took the scope off and ordered a new scope. I had a $50 dollar cheapy on it. I believe the poi changed with power. At 100yards, it would put two in the bull then down low 1 1/2" and to the right. Next 1 or 2 would be in the bull then 1 1/2" to the left and the same low then back to bull. No wind. on the bench with a very light trigger. I had to blame the scope. My barrel is free as well. I was considering supporting the barrel at the end of the forened evenly with foam tape or some such thing so it is evenly cradled. Just a theory though. I did not trust the scope. I was using federal 17gr v shock. Please let me know if anything you try is working as well.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:40:58 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on March 06, 2007, 08:10:18 PM

What range are you shooting and what kind of scope ya got on it? If the scope has an adjustable objective, is it set right so it's parallax free?

Tim

I'm thinking along the same line as Tim......might be a parallax problem.

Keith L · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:38:35 AM »

I wound up putting a cheekpiece on my Savage 93 so I got a consistent cheek weld and that solved a similar problem. I had to use high rings to mount a large objective scope on it, and had to be off the stock to get a good sight picture. I think lots of folks blame the stock for problems with flexing, and I don't agree. But stocks do have to fit for shooters to really get accurate with them.

backstrap · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2007, 05:09:58 AM »

Well when i bought the gun i got a new bushnell sportman 3-9-40 and i tried 3 diffrant bullets hornady v-max, wincheste rv-max, and federal v-max and it liked the feds best they grouped real well so i sighted it in with them, man would it shoot had it for about3 weeks to a mounth and wanted to try the cci tnt JHP i herd allot about them penatrating deeped so i tryed them they grouped well like i said but it wouldnt stay sighted in when i got the gun seems like i looked at the stock and it was tuching the barrel at the end of the forearm and it is not now i didnt check when it was new to see if the barrel was floated i just checked that out about a week ago but i know its not the scope because i took it off and put a new one on it i am thinking it is the ammo some how this is my Truck gun beat around gun and now i dont beat it around but i dont care if it gets scratched up or not , i have my marlin heavy barrel 17hmr that really is a tack driver if i where to go shoot some thing like P-Dog that i needed consistant and it has the same kinda scope on it so dont tell me that it is a poor scope i am happy with the scopes so dont go there GUYS so i guess ill see what i can get done with this savage i still think it has some thing to do with the ammo or stock and i clean it thinking it might have copper builed up and that wasnt it eather so i dont know, quick i am shooting it at a 100 yards with no wind and No it dont have a adjustable objective went down that road with a sweet 17 thats y i took it of my marlin i dont like the adjustable objetives but thats just me

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2007, 05:55:15 AM »

If the scope is parallax free at 100yds, it won't be an issue, but if it is parallax free at 150yds like a lot of big game scopes are, or 50yds for a rimfire scope, that could be part of the problem. Put the rifle on bags so the X-hair is centered on the target, then look thu the scope without touching the rifle or scope, move you head around just a little, if the X-hair appears to move on the target, it's not parallax free and will cause POI to change if your head isn't in the exact same spot for every shot.

Have you checked the stock bolts? Make sure they're both snug and try to tighten them the same each time you install them.

Good luck,

Tim

backstrap · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:19:14 AM »

So u are saying that a person shouldnt but a big game rifle scope on a rimfire and that a rimfire rifle takes i rimfire scope thats news to me a person lerns something new every day will the scope instuctions tell me if it it parallax free?? thanks Quick

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:24:19 AM »

Some scope documents have parallax spec, but I'd just check it, doesn't need to be at the range, just so the distance checked at is the same as the range you're shooting at. You could check it at home out a window even, just be cautious of who's watching!!!

Tim

backstrap · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:31:22 AM »

Quick i just check the head movement thing and the crosshairs dont move at 100 yards but around 50 they do

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:46:06 AM »

Action screws or a bad scope/mount???

backstrap · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:01:18 AM »

i dont know i wouldnt think it wouldnt be scope base it was on it from the factory and like i said right after i got it it shot kick a@@, can it be posable that i have over tighten the scope rings to tight and put the scope in a bind?? the scope rings i use and really like are the weaver Quad locks, it cant be the scope it brand new i dont know what it is ill keep trying diffrant things but i am sure its not the scope, 2 bad scopes never heard anthing like that in my life i could see 1 bad scope and what are u talking about action screw to tight or to lose what u talking about there please explain?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:04:24 AM »

One member on the NEF forum had 4 scopes go bad, Leupolds no less, so no scope is immune from defects, and misaligned rings can make that happen, specially on 2 pc bases when the rings aren't lapped/aligned properly.

Tim

backstrap · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:05:03 AM »

Maybe shooting it every evening when the wind lays down i am expeting to much out of this rifle, i want it to shoot like my marlin does but it dont there is no comparison

backstrap · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:06:47 AM »

Ok quick thanks for all your help and info

groovyintheusa · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2007, 12:06:19 PM »

This does sound like a "scope" problem to me all so... But having one of these myself, have you by chance tried not cleaning it? I don't mean leaving it wet, and NASTY, but good and fouled. Mine shoots a TON better, with reliable groupings IF it's not CLEAN. Of course if you're putting it away for awhile, clean it up, but if you're shooting it regularly leave it fouled. It works for me, but then again, it might just be my gun. It's worth a try though.

backstrap · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2007, 03:57:19 AM »

i leave the barrel dirty i just think it is the gun still i am convensted its not the scope when i put 3 others on it that have been on other rifle that where sighted in and shot well it shoots ok at 50 yards so i will use it for a 50 yard gun and use my marlin for any thing over 50

mikedb · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:35:12 AM »

Have some other person who is also experienced in rifles shoot it. Are you resting the barrle of stockon the sandbags?

corelokt308win · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2007, 10:20:00 AM »

Scope or scope mounts, I'd say. Savages tend to shoot far better than the price or looks would leave one to expect. Is there any oil between the rings and the scope or the rings and the rifle. It's real easy to have the scope floating and not know it. The oil can even creep in when wiping it down and make things float, that's actually what a good oil is supposed to do, just keep it away from the scope mounts. If no oil, try another scope. Bad scopes are a real stress inducer, makes a bluebird day into a real bummer.
Also, try laying the scope in the rings without the caps on the rings and look to see if the scope is laying flat and straight in the ring bottoms. Check this by seeing if the gap is even along each side of scope where it meets the rings. If not, it should be and a web search should show you how to align it better, or lap it roughly in.

backstrap · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2007, 05:12:48 PM »

i have try numbers of scope hand another person shot it maybe i just got a bad gun or the lemon as they call it but whats VERY fun this didnt start tell i tryed to sight it in for the cci JHP i wouldnt think just changeing ammo would do this but this gun did

Keith L · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2007, 07:10:07 PM »

I didn't re-read every post in this thread, but did you try the vmax ammo again to see how it shot, or are you just using the jhp ammo now? My savage didn't like the jhp, even had trouble feeding them. If you haven't already try the original ammo that worked well and let us know how it does.

backstrap · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2007, 07:31:04 PM »

yes i have went back to the ammo it shoot best it like shoots 2 to 3 real close in the bullseye and like 2 or three out any way it will work i guess for what i am going to use the gun for a beat up gun so its not like i am losseing much of a gun if it gets rusty leaveing it my truck or stolen

groovyintheusa · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2007, 12:46:18 PM »

Hay All, I just got mine out from "winter storage", and the first 5-6 shots (with the cci JHP) didn't hold a 4" group at 50 yards. After that they started to tighten up pretty good. Switched to the V Max's for 20 rounds and they held a nice grouping. Then when back to the cci JHP, and still had a good grouping, but not as good as the V Max. Again, the dirtier it got, the better it shot. I've got a Simmons 3-9 on mine, just in case any one was wondering. As soon as more of the snow is gone, I'll report on some 100, and 150 yards, comparing these two rounds.