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Offline sharpshooter

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Another brain fart
« on: May 13, 2003, 06:39:23 PM »
Well it was such a nice day saturday, so the wife, stepdaughter and me went out and shot a few rounds. My stepdaughter is 10 years old and she has been going deer hunting with her mother and me for two years now. Well, in Tn. she will have to take the hunter safety course before she can hunt to shoot a deer herself, which is no problem. She is  looking forward to taking the course but she isn't looking forward to shooting the 20 gauge which she will have to do before they let her pass the course. Anyway, thats another story. She wants to shoot a deer this coming season which is great also, so Sat. I let her shoot my 2506 which is set up on a mauser 98 action to see how she would handle it. She didn't like it, she said it kicked to much. This could be a possibility, the bullet she shot was a 117 grain s.b.t. I set a target out at about 33 yards and she made two shots within the size of a quarter. We were happy for her. Well, now to the brain fart. It hit me today, why don't I get her a 243 barrel so she can shoot my Encore. This would be cheaper then buying her a whole new rifle. I am thinking about going with Foxridge has anyone got a 243 barrel from them and if so how does it shoot? Thanks
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Another brain fart
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2003, 01:15:46 AM »
SS,
I don't have an Encore in 243, but I do have one in 260. It is by far my favorite deer barrel. The recoil is practically non-existent and it is easily 1/2 moa. Either is an excellent choice but you don't see many used ones. I'd contact Ed Kirkpatrick or just go with TC for a new one. I don't think you'll need to get a custom barrel from Fox Ridge.

BTW- what part of Tn are you in?

Rick
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Another thought for low recoil carbine
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2003, 06:50:17 AM »
One other idea in the mix...

All this experiemntation with reliable bullets for proper expansion with pistol velocities could benefit you.

The 7-30 Waters in a carbine loaded with a 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip or 130 SSP bullet loaded down to pistol velocities would kick very little, and the performance on game is quite good.

I hunt with a 13" bareled 7-30 in my Contender and last year three shots...three deer...all dropped where they stood.

I am going to put together a carbine for my daughters in a 7mm caliber and load it down with these bullets and will feel very good about their chances.  The pistol kicks very little in my Contender pistol...much less than a 44 magnum or especially the 308 and 30-06 many are shooting in the Encore.  I would imagine the kick in a carbine would be very slight.

Just a thought as I have no experience with the 6mm.  Down the road if you opt for a 7mm-08 or 308 and download it for pistol bullets you could load all the way up for when they could handle the recoil, or for when they tire of the gun and donate it to you!  Hope the latter never happens.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2003, 12:17:55 PM »
They also make a bantam stock for the Encore, should it be needed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2003, 02:23:38 PM »
Hello, Sharpshooter.
Imho :wink: , the .243 is an excellent deer round, in the right hands, but just like the .410  I don't consider it an excellent starter round. My friend has a 10 yr. old daughter and she shoots a Rem. model 7 in .260. I consider it the 7-30 or the 7-08, with reduced loads much better. I used a 7-30 in a carbine to take 2 excellent bucks. They just folded at 100 yds. :eek:  I have seen to many young hunters saddled with both extremes, too much and too little. Like i said just my opinion. :) Whatever you choose start her slow. .22 lr and work her up.
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Offline Stan M.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2003, 03:18:23 PM »
What ever caliber you should go with, if you reload, you can load down for her to practice and you can load hotter rounds for hunting. I have never felt recoil during a hunting situation. Good Ol' adrenalin flow! Just remember that point of impact will probably be different.
  When I started my girlfriend's ten year old son out. He was able to shoot a 20 ga. with field loads without any problems. I never let him shoot a full blown turkey load at practice. We went on a turkey hunt and he shot at a jake. He did notice the difference in recoil but was not afraid to shoot because of recoil. He got over the recoil because of the excitement of the hunt. I wouldn't think the difference in mild rifle loads verses hoter loads would be as great as the difference with the shotgun loads. Just make sure you always keep the butt of the stock firmly on the shoulder.
 Also a Past mag recoil pad strapped on makes a big difference at the bench.  Good luck.
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