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Offline KYtrapper17

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« on: May 14, 2003, 02:14:20 PM »
On your coyote sets do you like a real visible set or a natural looking set?  A trapping buddy told me to stay away from visible sets but I have read about good coyote sets that are visible.
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2003, 02:50:48 PM »
Coyote behavior may vary somewhat from locality to locality, but for me excellent set visibility is one of the most important factors.  I always have better results percentage wise with visible sets such as dirt holes dug into a backing or big visible scent posts over more subtle flat and blind scent sets.  The subtle sets may be better for the occasional old, wary, educated coyote but this type of animal is rather rare along the mainstream trapline in my locality.  Ace

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2003, 04:45:11 PM »
Asa

I think it is funny how all the great trappers think a like.

There is a lot to learn about coyotes and most of the time I find myself really listening to (read) to guys like Chris Mc. and Scott Huber and Jackie and I think it is funny how most of you have the same trapping methods but different.  I also like reading what Craig O' Gorman has to say I have never meet the guy but I have a lot of repect for him he always gives credit where it is due and he has giving your dad a lot.

well back to the post I started trapping just using the small dirthole didn't want anybody to steal my traps and once I found out they were going to anyway I started using the big and flashy big dirt hole and started finding out that the yotes came into them a lot better.


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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2003, 02:02:49 AM »
Dave:
To make a comparison, big visible hole sets or big visible scent posts standing out in an open area will catch a respectable number of canines and bobcats without a drop of lure or bait.  Subtle, blended sets rely almost entirely on the lure to bring in the animal.  If the prevailing wind direction should change or be erractic and be blowing the attractors odor away from the animal's approach, the subtle set has little chance of making a connection.  The way I use subtle sets such as the blind scent set is to construct one among a group of hole sets and use a different more subtle lure as the attractor.  Now, should one of these trap-shy, wary, educated old coyotes come along that circle or avoid hole sets, there is the subtle blind set with my Nature's Call all natural gland lure right amidst them.  These blind sets pick up a lot of big, old, toeless coyotes.  However, for the average young coyote, the hole sets are almost always the ones that connect.  I have seldom seen a juvenile coyote go to the blind set first.  This is how it is here in Michigan anyway.  I have been told that hole sets are only marginal out West.  Just as a guess, I would say that an animal sticking its nose into a hole where rattle snakes and scorpions reside could be too risky and that may be the reason they don't produce so well in some localities.  Ace

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2003, 05:13:23 PM »
Ace I am just getting back from scouting out a new territory for me with open fields with great fence rows and ditch lines that seem to go forever about 3-4 sections long and 2-3 section wide all owned by the same person but there are a lot of open field and I was just thinking that building up a huge dirt pile and a dirt hole in that would do me good in some of the bigger fields big and flashy.  Well I just had to let someone else knoe besides my wife I think she is getting tried of my talking about yotes she is a fox trapper and she could careless about the yotes.  I always ask her to go for a ride with me I will take her for icecream and then con her into going scouting I just can't stop.  I just want to find a den now so I can watch how they hunt and work.  Well I better stop before I become a coyote.


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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2003, 01:58:56 AM »
:) Strange how those 'yotes get in your blood Dave! LOL!  :)  Concerning dirt spots, it seems their is some magic in coyotes wanting to get their feet in the sand.  This reminds me of a place i've trapped for 50 years, it is low land with some back fields that was once an old homestead.  How it got there, I don't know, but there is one solitary spot of nice sand about 15' in diameter right in the middle of the area.  Believe me, a dozen dead cows couldn't call more coyotes than that sand spot!  One can go there any time of year and every square inch of that sand is coyote tracks traipsing back and forth.  What I always do is make dirt hole sets around the perimeter of the sand spot, just like one might do when trapping a large bait.  I would assume that if one dumped a load of sand that it would take a while for coyotes to get used to it but eventually if would become a call station eternally.  Ace

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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2003, 02:20:14 AM »
I've noticed that too with sand- esp in areas where sand isn't too common. I've got a few spots like that, and its always worth setting.

Trapped a farm this season, a farm I trap every year- and got a few yotes from it. but after I was done trapping, I happened to be back at the same farm on a different area- and saw where he had taken a 50 sq foot of area and dug the sand out ot a depth of 2-3 feet. So here is this little "pit", with "walls" on 3 sides--absolutely covered with tracks and scat.  Hmmn- wonder where I'll be setting near next year LOL

I still believe that coyotes are attacted to these areas to roll and because it feels good on their feet. I have seen time and again that given the option of a soft surface or a hard surface to walk on, coyotes pick the soft one more times than not. Which is one reason I think soybean fields are so attractive as travelways in the fall.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2003, 04:10:26 AM »
I always thought this love of sand thing with coyotes is an added benefit to the dirt hole set.  When one keeps the dirt pattern as small as possible it is a form of guiding in itself because coyotes seem to like to step in the fresh sand.  Just a thought, maybe a coyote's desire to leave  tracks when possible is a form of marking or establishing territories.  Ace