Author Topic: The new KP1 Muzzleloader/centerfire rifle from Knight (Read 5010 times)

jim huntington · « **on:** March 20, 2007, 09:47:49 AM »

I just seen the new KP1 muzzleloader/centerfire utility gun system from Knight in the American Hunter magazine. Wow! Its a nice looking outfit. They claim to be able to switch barrels in 30 seconds and have a wide selection of calibers to choose from. Besides the 50cal.muzzleloader, they have (.17hmr,.22lr,.223rem,.243win,.270win,.30-06springfield, and the .300win mag.Boy I would be interested in the .50 muzzleloader/.300win mag. combo. They say the new KP1 will be available to us around the 7th of June.They were at the recent Shot Show and this one gun whriter spoke highly of it. Some had already hunted with them and were impressed.This revue I found on the internet.The next question would be, what kind of a price tag would they put on it?What do ya all think of that? According to this whriter, this new gun is suppose to answear some of the problem issues with the TC.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2007, 01:55:49 PM »

OK....

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2007, 02:39:56 PM »

Redhawk, you seem less than enthused......perhaps because you are the consumate T/C Encore man?

I have a feeling I know who the overly enthusiastic gun writer was. If it's him, he loves or hates different guns depending on what suits him at the moment. I think that the KP1 looks like a winner to me, but as for solving the problems of the Encore, well, there are an awful lot of Encores being sold by T/C, and there are lots of Encore owners who wouldn't trade their gun for anything. The Encore definitely has the market on custom acccessories and available chamberings. There are problems that are inherent to the break action design, and regardless of who makes the gun, they are always going to be there. T/C has them, H&R has them, and the Knight is going to have them too. Sometimes they are a big issue, sometimes not, each gun is different.

As for price, well, most times Knight prices are on the higher side--I'd say the price for the stainless ones will be around the $600 area, less for the blued. Hopefully, it is a better design than the Revolution and the Vision were, I've seen both and don't care for either, and I tend to like Knight rifles quite a bit. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that the Encore is a good looking gun, mostly because it looks so different than anything else on the market. A bit radical if you will. The KP1 seems to be following the classic flowing lines of over/under shotguns (I love O/U's), so people who don't like the Encore are probably going to love the KP1. I'll look at one for sure, but I doubt that I'll buy one.

Cement Man · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2007, 02:36:14 AM »

I also like my Encores and their appearance. I think the stocks look kind of exotic - Tyrolean? and they fit me well. But, I like new choices and will also take a look at the new Knight.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2007, 02:50:47 AM »

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on March 20, 2007, 02:39:56 PM

Redhawk, you seem less than enthused......perhaps because you are the consumate T/C Encore man?

I was told, if I did not have anything nice to say, it was best not to say anything.

But the statement "According to this writer, this new gun is suppose to answer some of the problem issues with the TC." I would say is a bit premature, seeing how it has not even hit the market place for a evaluation, don't you think.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:35:07 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on March 21, 2007, 02:50:47 AM

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on March 20, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
Redhawk, you seem less than enthused......perhaps because you are the consumate T/C Encore man?

I was told, if I did not have anything nice to say, it was best not to say anything.

But the statement "According to this writer, this new gun is suppose to answer some of the problem issues with the TC." I would say is a bit premature, seeing how it has not even hit the market place for a evaluation, don't you think.

I was also taught that by my momma, and I try to do it to this day.

I agree 100% about a rifle that isn't on the market yet. I'm sure it will have a quirk or two all it's own to deal with.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:48:24 AM »

Here's a look...

I like the conventional stock!!

Tim

http://www.knightrifles.com/

http://www.knightrifles.com/NR/rdonlyres/4BF517A7-D162-4897-AAD1-E8892F68E394/0/KP1_Press_Release.pdf

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:43:30 AM »

Well, that is a VERY fine looking rifle....sigh... I just have to make sure that I don't touch or handle one. It's ok if I just look, really it is....well, just maybe a little touch, sure it won't hurt anything....BAM!!! Another one bites the VISA.....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2007, 10:45:24 AM »

I am not wowed by it at all. To me it is just another Knight.

HEAD0001 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2007, 02:37:43 PM »

I own quit a few Knight's, and Encore's. The biggest problem I have with the Encore is the trigger. One of the better points of the Knight is the quality of the trigger. IMO Knight will probably have a good trigger on this rifle, which will be a step up over the Encore.

I have found the Encore ML to be more finicky than the Knight. But I will admit that I have shot heavier loads with the Encore. I believe some of the problems could be attributed to the heavier loads.

I wonder how Knight handled the hinge pin? Tom.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2007, 02:39:30 PM »

I'm like that about all guns. I never need another one or want another one until I lay my hands on it, then I might as well just break down and get it.

jim huntington · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2007, 04:16:24 AM »

Hey! Happy Spring to everyone! The snow is melting! YEEEEEEEE! In my previous post, I gave the impression that I was a love hate person when it came to different guns. On the contrary, I love them all!I think my enthusiasum for the new KP1 rifle was a little overboard.The comment about the KP1 being the answear to problem issues with the TC was not my idea. I just mentioned what the gun wrighter had said about it in his revue at the recent S.H.O.T Show. I too believe that you should wait a year before you buy one of these new guns that are just coming out. Of coarse it takes the gun co.s that long or even longer to get them on the shelves. It was pert near 2 years before I got my spr18.Talk about being patient! My philosophy is try everything once as long as its not bad for you. You will never know unless you try it. Have a good day everyone!
Jim;

billy_56081 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2007, 12:37:35 PM »

That is kinda purdy!

handirifle · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:33:11 PM »

According to the PDF on their web site, the trigger is "removable but NOT adjustable" Not sure what removable means, most all are removable, but by how much effort is the question.

I really like the looks of the rifle, and I THINK the write (have no idea who) may mean the Encore being able to handle centerfire but not rimfire, and the limited calibers available for the Contender. I don't see those as faults, but rather limitations.

I just wish someone would invent a bolt action repeater rifle that can do all this.

Yea, I bet it will cost a pretty penny, my guess was at least twice the Handi, but it looks like they're competing with TC instead. If that's the case, then $600 would be a fair price.

manofthe45 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:49:44 PM »

Quote from: handirifle on March 25, 2007, 04:33:11 PM

I just wish someone would invent a bolt action repeater rifle that can do all this.

Yea, I bet it will cost a pretty penny, my guess was at least twice the Handi, but it looks like they're competing with TC instead. If that's the case, then $600 would be a fair price.

Try about 10 to 15 times the price of a handi. They are out there but are usually out of range of what most people will spend on one gun.

handirifle · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:03:43 PM »

I know there are switch barrel rifles, but none that are rimfire too, that I know of, and yes they would be a LOT of money, I'm sure.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2007, 09:29:15 AM »

T/C offers a rimfire barrel for the Encore now, but I'm not sure how it works with the centerfire pin. As for "Try about 10 to 15 times the price of a handi", all of the new Handi's I've seen go for about $200 or a bit more, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the new Knight is going to sell for $2000-$3000. Honestly, I'd have to say that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen in a while.

You could build a bolt gun with rimfire and centerfire barrels, you'd have to off set the chamber of the barrel like Kimber does on it's rimfire rifles in order to use a centerfire bolt. I would imagine that there are other design issues too. If anyone could do it, it would be a German company, look at some of the guns that they have turned out over the years. But who would want a .22LR on a 30-06 length action, for example?

manofthe45 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2007, 05:26:26 PM »

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on March 26, 2007, 09:29:15 AM

T/C offers a rimfire barrel for the Encore now, but I'm not sure how it works with the centerfire pin. As for "Try about 10 to 15 times the price of a handi", all of the new Handi's I've seen go for about $200 or a bit more, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the new Knight is going to sell for $2000-$3000. Honestly, I'd have to say that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen in a while.

You could build a bolt gun with rimfire and centerfire barrels, you'd have to off set the chamber of the barrel like Kimber does on it's rimfire rifles in order to use a centerfire bolt. I would imagine that there are other design issues too. If anyone could do it, it would be a German company, look at some of the guns that they have turned out over the years. But who would want a .22LR on a 30-06 length action, for example?

Never intended to say the knight would be that high. He said he wished a BOLT rifle with switch barrels.

jim huntington · « **Reply #18 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:44:54 AM »

One of the reasons I would be interested in the KP1 would be in getting it in .300W-MAG. In their advertisement it is one of the calibers offered.But if it is not any cheaper than the TC.S I probubly wont buy one. Another reason I like the KP1 is its strait stock. I use to have a CVA-OPTIMA which had a stock simler to TC'S style. Although the muzzleloader was very accurate and I shot a couple of deer with it. I couldnt get comfortable with that style of stock.

DavOh · « **Reply #19 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:51:37 AM »

I gotta say, personally I think the KP1 is alot prettier rifle than the rest. Still.... cost is always an issue.... be interesting to see where it comes out on price point.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:41:38 PM »

Quote from: manofthe45 on March 26, 2007, 05:26:26 PM

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on March 26, 2007, 09:29:15 AM
T/C offers a rimfire barrel for the Encore now, but I'm not sure how it works with the centerfire pin. As for "Try about 10 to 15 times the price of a handi", all of the new Handi's I've seen go for about $200 or a bit more, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the new Knight is going to sell for $2000-$3000. Honestly, I'd have to say that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen in a while.

You could build a bolt gun with rimfire and centerfire barrels, you'd have to off set the chamber of the barrel like Kimber does on it's rimfire rifles in order to use a centerfire bolt. I would imagine that there are other design issues too. If anyone could do it, it would be a German company, look at some of the guns that they have turned out over the years. But who would want a .22LR on a 30-06 length action, for example?

Never intended to say the knight would be that high. He said he wished a BOLT rifle with switch barrels.

Oh, my bad then. Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2007, 08:10:27 AM »

Quote from: DavOh on March 27, 2007, 03:51:37 AM

I gotta say, personally I think the KP1 is alot prettier rifle than the rest. Still.... cost is always an issue.... be interesting to see where it comes out on price point.

The price list they sent me..shows this..Typical Retail (prices may vary I'm sure)

The Magnum muzzle loader only runs from $489.95 to $649.95
The Whitetail combo runs from $649.95 to $789.95
The Varmint combo 17 HMR/223 will be in stainless only and will cost $749.95
The center fire blued barrels will be $199.95 including the 17HMR......The stainless barrels will be $239.95 including the 17 HMR...additional forearms will be $24.95-$34.95-$44.95 each
Nothing in it shows being able to purchase just a single center fire rifle nor the prices for them...

Mac

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2007, 10:22:20 AM »

Seems prices are going to be right in the ballpark with Encores and the Pro-Hunter Encores depending on what you want to get. Time will tell if it's better, I guess.