Author Topic: A terrorist gang... (Read 6979 times)

ironglow · « **on:** March 28, 2007, 07:56:50 AM »

A terrorist gang called something like " Iranian Guard" or some such name has kidnapped and terrorized 15 UK sailors, including one female..
They openly boast how they want to show their home audience and the world that they can "play tough " with the big powers !

Well; there is a task group headed for their offshore area now. The group probably includes a carrier, destroyers etc and perhaps a few thousand Marines.

Here's a chance for these two-bit terrorists to PROVE how tough they are by taking on an alert US Navy and Marine force..

Somehow, I don't think these mentally-challenged Iranian Guard "heroes" will try the "big boys"... in the gulf.

rockbilly · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2007, 10:01:21 AM »

To me, it seems like some of the terrorist groups in that part of the world have a death wish.

Like my dad use to tell me, "Son, leave that pit bull alone or you are going to get bit." It took me a while to learn, but I did get bit. The same thing is going to happen to them at some point.

Almtnman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2007, 10:50:47 AM »

Latest news today is the US has just sent 2 aircraft carriers into the gulf. Something big might be brewing and those guards might get a chance to prove themselves. They might find out that it's kinda hard to outrun napalm.

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2007, 02:18:39 PM »

To my knowledge we don't use napalm anymore and if we are not careful those 15 UK sailors may end up as dead as can be whilst we are "teach'n them a lesson".

ironglow · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:43:22 PM »

Yes; i believe the folks that seem to think that warfare should be fought by some kind of "Marquess of Queensbury" rules have whined enough so we can't use napalm. I rather doubt any of those whiners are seeing warfare though...

We cannot allow that nut case in Iran to hide behind some helpless captives..as old Saddam tried to do with those British kids before he got ousted..

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2007, 04:30:38 PM »

I don't recall Sadam taking any American or British hostages before we invaded Iraq. When did that happen? In fact all I remember him doing was invading Kuwait, because they were angle drilling into Iraqi oil.

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2007, 04:37:43 PM »

It's my understaning that the Godless ones are regular military iranians, not an individual gang. I hope they get what they deserve. The kidnapping, or attack, was witnessed by 2 British ships and an armed Brit helo, and they did nothing. I thought better of them. The Godless ones see the Brits withdrawal from the fighting as a weakness, force is all they understand. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:09:11 PM »

Its a tough decision to make, but I think w need to have us a big all out war n get this over with. Now you can say I'm just spouting my mouth off but I have a personal stake in this deal. My son is 17 and serves in the MN national guard. We need to beat these filthy muslime animals till they beg us to stop. Then we need to beet them some more till there is not enough left in this world to threaten the decent people of this world.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2007, 03:31:59 AM »

The Godless ones now say the Brits will be released only if the british admits to trespassing, they got the woman to say it on tv. It was a well planned attack. Why isn't nato complaining??? POWDERMAN.

magooch · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2007, 03:37:22 AM »

The Brits should play their (Iran's) silly little game until they get their people back and then park a large part of their navy right in Iranian waters and dare them silly shiite heads to do something.

Sadly, this probably will never happen.

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:47:13 PM »

No, sadly eventually it will happen. Does anyone really think that the U.S. and little bitty England can fight THREE wars at the same time? England has less than 7000 troops in Iraq, and are about to pull all but around 2000 or those out, and all these other so called allies have less than that. No one is standing in line to join the military in this country in case no one has noticed. The marines are about to call 1800 EX- MARINES back to active duty because of it. My son has done a combat tour with the 82nd Airborne, in Afghanistan and another in Iraq, and after being back from Iraq, and back in the States less than a week was RE-DEPLOYED back to Iraq, and Baghdad. Other countries are whittling their troop numbers down to almost nothing, in these two countries. Our enlistment age has been moved up to 42 years old trying to get people to enlist, and that ain't working either.
I personally hope Iran backs down, I have no desire to see our U.S. troops involved in yet another war, with almost no outside support from other countries, AND after serving their time in the military and getting out, ONLY to be called back. I say, let some of these folks that are so anxious to fight these wars, get up out of their recliners and go do some of it.
Also does anyone really believe that nato and the U.N. are really on our side? If they were, they would be in Iraq. We are doing the lion's share of the work and the dying worldwide, and we are doing it almost alone, in both the fighting and financially. You see all these other countries listed as supporters, but check the numbers of COMBAT TROOPS they are actually providing. It is very enlightening. JM2CW

ironglow · « **Reply #11 on:** March 29, 2007, 02:27:53 PM »

Dee;

There are many sites out there explaining this one (of many) hostage situations engineered by Saddam..the following is just one of them..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6053948.stm

OPf course he held many of his people as "human shields"..living beside and under anti aircraft guns...juist like the scum in Lebanon did and terrorists all over the mideast who use their own people to "hide behind" did ...

I did have concern for these British women and kids..especially when I saw the monster himself, pat the little "shields" on their heads.

On the other hand, I recall there were a select group of retards from the west that voluntarily went to Iraq just before the war broke in '03..they were going to be "human shields" for Saddam..so he said "fine" and he started using them for that purpose..then the wailing and whining started..
I wasn't too concerned for them...

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2007, 04:05:05 PM »

Ok, like I said I don't remember the Brit thing but, I do remember the patty-cakers going over there as human shields.

magooch · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2007, 03:15:26 AM »

I have to wonder who the genius commanders are who allow their marines, sailors, or whatever to be in the position to be taken captive by those idiot Islamists. It's kind of like letting the zookeepers to walk right into the lion cage with the meat at feeding time.

If I were going to stop an Iranian ship for inspection while in, or near Iranian waters, it wouldn't be conducted with a couple of small boats. It would be with a frigging warship with its guns trained right on the ship and anything else in the area and there'd be plenty of backup standing by.

Are the Brits that dumb, or are they setting a trap?

S.S. · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2007, 06:17:43 AM »

Back a few years ago, the Iranians purchased quite a few "Silk Worm" AKA Sea Eagle
anti-ship missiles from China. And I believe there are also lots of "Exocet"
missiles still in their inventory also.. Those ships and their crews may be in more peril
than they realize. Both of those missiles are pretty heavy hitters. If the Iranians have done their home-work they will know which ships are armed with the Phalanx. Those who are not armed with it
are meat on the table for an Exocet...The MM40 Exocet has a range exceeding 150 Km from a surface launch. It is French built, so they have probably been almost giving
them away in the middle east... This looks like a set-up to me...

Dee · « **Reply #15 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:56:57 AM »

S.sumner I would agree on the setup possibility. Everyone in the world knows that the U.S. is stretched to the limit on military man power. Everyone it seems except Americans. When klinton was president the pentagon stated that it would be very difficult to fight a two front war. We now have, a two front war. Afghanistan and Iraq. The last thing we need is another conflict such as Iran. We broke the economic back of the Soviet Union by backing the Taliban in Afghanistan when they (the Soviets) were there for so many years. Does anyone not realize that the same could be done to us?

WmRoy · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:28:17 PM »

So we should just cut and run and let the terrorist's take over the world? Obviously, we can't invade Iran.......... but I don't think that's even being considered.

What we can't do is back down from this threat............ that will just insure our doom.

rockbilly · « **Reply #17 on:** March 30, 2007, 06:18:14 PM »

I was opposed to going to Iraq in the first place. I fully supported chasing terrorist down, wherever they hide, and ensuring they meet their doom. But now that we are there, we can't pull another Viet Nam and cut and run. Putting our military into a combat situation, then just pulling out has given hope to every terrorist group in the world that had a bone to pick with us.

In Iraq, Iran, or any other place that wants to harbor terrorist, and take action against Americans any place in the world should be shown we don't run............send all of the sons of dogs to their maker.

Almtnman · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2007, 02:15:04 AM »

Terrorism and terrorists are doing a lot of damage to not only our country but to other countries as well. What is destroying our country is political correctness.

magooch · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2007, 02:39:35 AM »

I might agree that our ground forces are a bit stretched, but what about the Air Force and the Navy? I still contend that one submarine could take Iran down and still have enough firepower to take out some of their neighbors.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2007, 03:30:52 AM »

The dumcraps actually want to give a date for running so the Godless ones can do anything they want after that date. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2007, 04:52:12 AM »

powderman;

That is just another sterling example of " Liberal; Logic"....LOL

Them and their 'politiocal correctness" will destroy this nation....'course, maybe that is exactly what they WANT to do...

....Ironglow

WmRoy · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2007, 09:54:56 AM »

Quote from: magooch on March 31, 2007, 02:39:35 AM

I might agree that our ground forces are a bit stretched, but what about the Air Force and the Navy? I still contend that one submarine could take Iran down and still have enough firepower to take out some of their neighbors.

Makes ya wonder how many of our subs are parked nearby don't it.........

powderman · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2007, 03:32:32 PM »

IRONGLOW. I truly believe that the dumcraps goal in life, their reason for being, is to disarm the law abiding, and cause the downfall of America as we know it. They want to weaken our military to the point we can't defend ourselves, thereby uniting with nato and forming their one world govt, with them in charge of course. The dumcraps crave one thing and only one thing, power, unlimited power to control us. They are trying to make America as morally bankrupt as they are. They believe killing babies is birth control, gay marriage is wonderful, and that there is no reason for a private citizen to own a gun. They are the best friends our enemies, the Godless ones, have. The Godless ones danced in the streets when the dumcraps took control of congress. We are in deep trouble. POWDERMAN.

Almtnman · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2007, 01:48:42 AM »

Quote from: powderman on March 31, 2007, 03:32:32 PM

IRONGLOW. I truly believe that the dumcraps goal in life, their reason for being, is to disarm the law abiding, and cause the downfall of America as we know it. They want to weaken our military to the point we can't defend ourselves, thereby uniting with nato and forming their one world govt, with them in charge of course. The dumcraps crave one thing and only one thing, power, unlimited power to control us. They are trying to make America as morally bankrupt as they are. They believe killing babies is birth control, gay marriage is wonderful, and that there is no reason for a private citizen to own a gun. They are the best friends our enemies, the Godless ones, have. The Godless ones danced in the streets when the dumcraps took control of congress. We are in deep trouble. POWDERMAN.

I concur powderman.

I think you hit the nail on the head as that a good explanation of them.

magooch · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2007, 03:59:21 AM »

I really don't think that the majority of Dumbycrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and even some others are inherently evil, it's just that the "do-gooder" in them causes them to believe that they know what is best for everyone and by golly their going to make things right. I don't think it occurs to them that their version of right, just might not be shared by everyone.

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2007, 08:48:14 AM »

So when the government debt is approaching 10 trillion dollars, (it was 6.9 when Klinton was in office) and they give THEMSELVES "RECORD PAY RASIES" AND "MORE" LIFETIME BENEFITS, that you and I don't get, but pay for, their just looking out for OUR BEST INTEREST? And when they go into office the average guy, and only make about $160,00.00 a year end up being MILLIONAIRES, in just a few years, they do it by looking out for OUR BEST INTEREST? When they get all these things, and claim the government doesn't have the funds to buy body armor, and armor for vehicles, for our troops, and the troops have to buy their own BDUs and other equipment with their own money? I don't think their looking out for anybodies interest but their own.BTJMO

And one more thing. When the elderly whom are living on social security, and SOMETIMES a small pension, have to file a tax return, and pay taxes, their just looking out for their BEST INTERESTS. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #27 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:29:43 AM »

Dee, Saddam held British school kids (and some others) in Iraq for awhile prior to the start of the Gulf War.

This hostage taking is the usual for the terrorist Iranians. Last summer their Hezbollah people kidnapped Israeli soldiers to take attention away from the Nuclear program standoff. This is probably more of the same reasoning.

International recognition of the border through the waterway there is considered to be a line right down the middle. British GPS says the sailors were on the correct side. Iran claims they were on the wrong side. Whom do you want to believe....

Remember, the Army and Marines are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. How many divisions does the Army have? (I don't know) What percentage of the Army is actually deployed? The Marines have 3 divisions. At this time, a little less than 1 division is deployed.

The Air Force? Pretty well freed up. Only a small amount in the Gulf region. The Navy has 12 carrier battle groups. 3 are in/near the Persian Gulf, 1 is deploying today, 1 of the 3 will return soon after. How much Navy left? In my book, Navy and Air Force air power is pretty awesome.

My point? Does that sound "bogged down"?

Ask your self "who's saying that stuff and what is their motivation"? You gotta take a lot of info with a grain of salt! So much is disinformation, both foreign and domestic.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** April 02, 2007, 12:18:55 PM »

I don't recall discussing whether anyone one was bogged down. I mentioned the fact, that the government is calling back soldiers that have served their country for their enlistment period and are being called back because the military is not meeting quotas. I have friend whose son has served THREE combat tours with the Marines in Iraq, has gotten out of the military and has been called back AGAIN. My own son has one combat tour in Afghanistan, and is on his second tour in Iraq, after his unit was home in Ft. Bragg only FOUR DAYS from Iraq, they were given 15 hours to get their business done, and with that 15 hours notice are now BACK IN IRAQ with no come home date. The enlistment age is moved up to 43 years of age, and they still aren't getting their quotas. It is common knowledge that man power is stretched to the limit, that's why National Guard units have spent so much time over in both countries. As far as Iran being an outlaw nation I agree. That's were we should have went in the first place, after Afghanistan. When Bush took over there were I believe less than 7 divisions that were combat ready due to depletion during the Klinton years. It would appear that has not changed, considering the extensive use of under trained national guard troops, and soldiers whom cannot seem to seperate themselves from the military even after ful-filling their obligation. I still hope Iran backs down though I doubt they will, as I believe we are stretched. As far as the British hostages, Brittan has maintained 7000 troops in Iraq, and are about to pull out over 5000. Apparently they weren't as upset as they should have been.TMO

WmRoy · « **Reply #29 on:** April 02, 2007, 02:24:18 PM »

Strategically, we need another base in the middle east. That's one good reason to stay in Iraq. And we'll likely never use ground troops in Iran. The terrain is much different than in Iraq, and a land war would require many more men than we used in Iraq.

No one said that saving the world from evil was going to be a cake walk. If all this crying would have been going on in past wars Adolph would have won and his offspring would be sitting on the throne of the world right now......... oh and you certainly wouldn't be able to gripe about the government, that would get you shot (pretty much like it will in much of the world today!) ........... unfortunately, we Americans have no spine left..... We're no longer capable of winning any war of any scale..... the spineless among us wouldn't allow it..... sad.