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Offline abner

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22-250 or .223 ???
« on: March 28, 2007, 09:16:05 PM »
Hello

I do not know where this is all coming from but it might be fun. I have been thinking of getting a varmint rifle, why I really do not know. Never really owned one, Mini-14 does not count and my 10/22 is well a rimfire. I was thinking 223 but I for some reason 22-250 popped in. Why would a 22-250 be better then a 223 or why wouldn’t it?

I have an idea were this is coming from, this place it is going to get me in trouble for sure. This afternoon I was in Dicks Sporting Goods looking at shotguns and this cute lil’ thing popped up and said take me home, I didn’t but……… It was a Handi in 22-250 bull barrel, hardwood stock set and it came with a 6-24X?? It was under 300. I may give it another look.  Does this combo come from NEF kike that or is it made up for Dicks? Any chance someone know what brand scope comes on this Handi


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Have a great day

Joe
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 11:01:30 PM »
It must be a Dick's combo, I've never heard of a factory gun coming with a scope.  I have a 22-250 and am waiting on a 223 any time.  The 223 should be good enough for most any varmint shot under 400 yrds.  After that the 223 is starting to reach its limit (unless you reload your own ammo). 
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 02:14:06 AM »
I have both, really all 3. 204, 223, and 22-250. If I had to choose one, the 22-250 would be my favorite. Cheaper ammo is more available for the 223. But.........the 204 Ruger is really a fun and very accurate round! You'll be happy with anyone of them........but...just get all 3 like me!
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 02:20:09 AM »
The 223 is cheaper to shoot, somewhat.  There are a lot of inexpensive 223 shells out there, but few of the guys have any accuracy out of them from what I understand.  That said, I love my 22-250.  If you reload, they aren't too bad either.  (DO have a 223 bull barrel on the way though! ;D)

Either will work.  Just keep in mind, depending on where you are shooting, the 22-250 is kinda loud.
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 03:32:53 AM »
H&R only offers 3 barrels in 22-250, 24" fluted bull barrel, SS and blued 22" standard contour, so it has to be a special offering, or it's not really a bull barrel, but a standard contour. ;)

Tim
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 03:43:28 AM »
223 is a very good varmint round.
All you will need.
The 22-250 comes with more speed and more importantly bragging rights.
It will do the same things as the 223 faster and farther.
The bottom line is get what you want or you will have to get it later anyway.
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 03:49:24 AM »
What is the chamber pressure difference between a .223 and a .22-250? Some here have and do shoot .223's off a SB1 platform, not arguing that issue is the pressure difference so much more between factory .223 loadings and factory .22-250 loadings that it would be much more dangerous with a 22-250? How would the back thrust be effected with the slightly larger diameter head on the .22-250? If you don't feel comfortable discussing the issue relative to a SB1 platform then please discuss it on a SB2 platform. Inquiring minds and an ongoing project have to know...Thanks....<><.... :)
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 06:17:32 AM »
SAAMI pressure for the 223 is 50kpsi, 65kpsi for the 22-250. The 22-250 definitely has more back thrust due to the larger case head and much higher pressure, but the 22-250 has no more pressure or back thrust than a .270, I say get both of em, start with the .223, tho!! ;D

Tim

http://www.frfrogspad.com/miscellk.htm#pressure

http://www.stevespages.com/jpg/cd223remington.jpg
http://www.stevespages.com/jpg/cd22250.jpg
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 07:22:05 AM »
They are both fine cartridges in there own right.Both are easy to load for,easy to find many different loads that will shoot well,both will get the job done.Guess thats why I have both!!I find myself packing a 223 handi in 223 more because it is my walkabout rifle the one I grab heading out the door.The 22-250 which is an all time favorite of mine only gets used on paper and for the long shots will groundhog hunting.Its a remington 700 and is so accurate its scary,so pretty much any thing under 300yards which covers 99% of my shooting the 223 does great.
Guess I didn't help you much abner,so you will have to do as others have said and get both! ;D ;D
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 11:33:27 AM »
I saw in our local ad for Dick's Sporting Goods the ad on this rifle.  They are offering it in both the .223 or the .22-250.  I had to make an emergency run to both stores within driving distance to check them out.  Neither store had any of them.  I was told that they are a special run for Dick's Sporting Goods with the scope from  NEF.  I have noticed that NEF is offering a rifle/scope combo from the factory.

"Factory-mounted scopes – Five models are now available with mounted and bore-sighted scopes. They include a 223 Handi-Rifle with a 22” bull barrel with a 3-9x32 variable scope, and three models in 243, also equipped with 3-9x32 scopes: an adult and a youth model with hardwood stocks, and a youth model with a black synthetic stock. A 12-gauge, bull barrel slug gun is also available with a 3-9x32 scope and a hardwood stock." from NEF website
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 12:28:00 PM »
Is Dicks willing to order it for you at the advertised sale price even though they do not have them in stock? I would think that is not only the least they could do but think it may be required of them by Federal law. If they advertise something the must have sufficient quantities to sell or at least the specified number on hand...i.e. - "limited to 10 at each location" ....<><.... :)
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 08:38:32 PM »
Hello

MSP Ret the salesman at Dicks told I could order one in .223 if I wanted one. He said he could get them in .223, 22-250, and .243. Tim you are right on the barrel being a standard 22", I just repeated what the salesman told me, I am seeing alot more times the salesperson does not know what they are selling. Yes I reload that is the reason I am giving the 22-250 a second look. I think it was Midway USA that I was pricing factory ammo and I seen the had Wolf Gold in 22-250, has anybody tried this. I read months ago in Shotgun News that it was being imported here and it would be brass cases. Price was 10 or 11 a box.

Still thinking on it, heck I ordered 45-70 dies and I do not even own a rifle for that round. Guess I must get a Buffalo Classic too. ::) ::)  This is fun but expensive, heck you only live once.

Have a great day


Joe
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2007, 05:20:32 AM »
Quote from: MSP Ret on March 29, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
Is Dicks willing to order it for you at the advertised sale price even though they do not have them in stock?

He said that they couldn't order them but I got rain-checks at both stores and they were going to check other stores for availability, before their next order comes in.
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Re: 22-250 or .223 ???
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2007, 03:23:44 PM »
Quote from: darat100 on March 29, 2007, 02:20:09 AM
Just keep in mind ... the 22-250 is kinda loud.
:o Now there's an understatement! :o
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