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Offline AaronH

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Hiya all,

 I've been noodling on a piece of bronze I've had laying around. It's going to be a 3/4" bore mortar. (posted a while back about it) I've had an undersized hole drilled 90% of the final depth for a few months now. I've been trying to think of a good way to make a spherical radius at the bottom (2-3/8" deep) without spending a ton of cash.

I thought about a long ball nose end mill, but was afraid it might leave bad cutter marks in the bore and it wouldn't be easy to get into the tail stock of my bench top lathe. I thought about somehow making a custom boring bar to hold a 3/8" radius carbide insert. I also considered custom grinding a radius on the end of a 3/4" drill bit. I've given it a few months to think about it. Finally, I came up with the answer the other day.

First, I bored the hole straight in the mortar and left it just undersized. Then I ran a 3/4" reamer down it for size and finish. (note: at this point the bore still has a drill point at the bottom). I bought a 3/8" radius carbide router bit from my local home improvement store. Then I took a piece of 5/8" round stock and drilled 1/4" hole in one end for the shank of the router bit. I turned some of the other end down to 1/2" to fit the Jacobs chuck in the tail stock. I also drilled and tapped for two 10-32 set screws to hold the router bit in. So, I ended up with a fancy drill bit, of sorts, with a 3/8" spherical radius at the end. Then I took a piece of brass/bronze round stock that I had laying around and made a 5/8" ID, 3/4" OD, w/ 7/8" shoulder bushing. (You could probably buy a sintered bronze bushing that would do the same thing) The bushing fit snug over the 5/8" shank of the drill I made and also fit snug in the 3/4" reamed bore. I wanted the drill guided to prevent chatter and keep it centered,  but I didn't want steel touching the bore. Thus I made the brass/bronze sleeve.

So, I used the drill with the bushing to guide it and slowly drilled down (periodically checking depth and cleaning out chips) until the bore-radius transition felt smooth with a dental pick. A final polish with some Scotch-Brite wrapped around a piece of round stock.

According to my digital calipers the bore ended up at .754" at the breach. I didn't bother getting out the I.D. micrometer to check deeper. There are a couple tooling marks that were deeper that you can still see, but it's good enough for who it's for. I'll try to take a digital picture of the tool tomorrow and post it. However, for those of you playing along a home I am sure you can picture it from my description. I am not sure where you are going to get large router bits for big bores, but maybe this idea will spur on a idea in your head for a project you are working/planning on.

Aaron

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2007, 04:21:21 AM »
Here are a couple pics.




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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2007, 04:33:20 AM »
That looks good and can be made any length needed.
As a suggestion, next time knurl the oversize part of the bushing and make the ID of the bushing oversize enough to spin on the extension. then you can add a couple drops of oil to it and hold the bushing with a gloved hand. That way there will be no scratches from the bushing in the bore.
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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2007, 06:08:27 AM »
Thanks, I was pretty happy with the results. Actually, the bushing did fit pretty snug in the bore so it did end up spinning on the extension. One thing that I didn't mention was that I used cutting oil (which caused a bit of a problem). The fits were so close that the whole thing developed some hydraulic action. When I inserted the drill/extension it tended to push the bushing out. If you held the bushing in for a few second until the internal pressure dropped it was fine. Perhaps a groove along the O.D. of the bushing would have let the trapped air/oil out faster. A guy could shrink fit brass sleeve(s) onto the extension and do away with the seperate bushing all together. That might be somewhat counter productive in trying to keep from scratching the bore. You'd have to give it a shot and see what happens I guess. The tooling marks that did not get polished out were left from a dull 3/4" reamer that I started with before I got smarter and found a sharp one.

My next step is to turn the R1.25 spherical end opposite the breach. For that I am going to cheat and throw it in the CNC. Yeah.. yeah.. I know.. what's the adventure in that... but I've got the machine and it's going to save me a lot of headache.

Aaron


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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2007, 05:32:48 PM »
Am I the only one that can't see the pictures?

I tried tp edit them and they still don't work.

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2007, 06:46:57 PM »
It looks like you edited them away.
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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2007, 07:04:41 PM »
I never could see them. MIKE

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 10:03:18 PM »
They don't show for me either.  How about just posting the URLs in plain text and we can muck around looking for them?
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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2007, 02:17:32 AM »
Huh... They show up fine for me. Course, that's not saying much because I can see Harvey too. Here are the URLS that I used

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cbe59cz1f86594f/dd0cscd/__sr_/9f0escd.jpg?pho7OFGBy4Ew4fDu

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cbe59cz1f86594f/dd0cscd/__sr_/ce01scd.jpg?pho7OFGBV8pzLAyB

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2007, 02:43:32 AM »
Much gooder! Looks neat. Thanks, MIKE

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2007, 04:02:56 AM »
The links don't work for me. It keeps coming up with "problem loading page".
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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 04:21:13 AM »
Here is the URL for the photo album. Perhaps this will work better??

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/meatpuppeta/album?.dir=/dd0cscd&.src=ph

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2007, 04:39:32 AM »
I think we have been through this before with Yahoo.  Yahoo doesn't let you post your picture on line. 

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Re: So you want to cut a sperical radius at the bottom of your bore
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2007, 08:13:40 AM »
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next time knurl the oversize part of the bushing and make the ID of the bushing oversize enough to spin on the extension. then you can add a couple drops of oil to it and hold the bushing with a gloved hand


I have to say that this would be a bad idea.  Gloves and machine tools DO NOT go together.  If something does catch it is very easy to get rapped around your work.  The knurls could make things even worse.