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Remington has been sold.
« on: April 05, 2007, 06:16:07 AM »
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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 06:17:47 PM »
Here's some info I found on it. I wonder if the term 'PRE 08' is going to be used when discussing Remingtons in the future?

Remington Arms Company, Inc. one of the nation's oldest continually-operating firearms companies, is being acquired by an affiliate of Cereberus Capital Management, L.P. The $370 million dollar acquisition includes the assumption of all of Remington Arms Company, Inc.'s liabilities and product lines.

Remington CEO Tommy Millner released a statement characterizing the transaction as "an acknowledgment of the Remington tradition, its strong brand, and the excellent products built over 191 years…"

The acquisition gives Cereberus two gun companies, Remington Arms and Bushmaster. Sources familiar with both companies say Remington will quickly add an AR-style rifle platform to complement their M24SWS Sniper Weapon System while Bushmaster will likely add signature branded ammunition and products.

Remington also includes a total line of shotshell, centerfire, rimfire and handgun ammunition and manufacturing under the Remington and UMC brands. For many years, Remington has remained the number one producer of both rifles and shotguns in the US domestic market.

Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC provided financing commitment and advisor services to Cereberus in the acquisition, expected to close in June 2007.

We will have complete details and reaction to the acquisition in the Friday, April 6, 2007 editions of The Outdoor and Shooting Wires.
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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 09:21:24 PM »
Looks like Remington is about to change drastically.

I saw a few different stories already about this sale.  Each time the name of the buyer was misspelled.  The correct spelling is Cerberus Capital Management.  I found this out by doing a seach on the web to find out just who bought Remington.

It appears that CCM-LP is a Vulture type business, a Hedge Fund, that looks for distressed Companies to buy out.  Some of the time, CCM-LP dissects those comapnies and sells off the parts that are not profitable.  Leaving only Bare Bone businesses left in the ashes.

Since nobody here knows exactly what parts of Remington aren't doing very well, I can only assume that the future of Remington rifles (and ammo) may be in the same boat as Winchester is and Savage was years ago.  Obviously, since Winchester was already in the doldrums, this Company wanted nothing to do with buying Winchester, But this may be what is in store for Remington in the not too distant future.

Will it be long before you can not say that Remingtons are still made in the USA?  Possibly.  And it is quite possible that Remington rifles may get 'Cheaper'.  I can just see a Savage style bolt on all Remingtons now.
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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 01:21:51 AM »
  I can just see a Savage style bolt on all Remingtons now.

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This news concerns me, Ive got a bad gut feeling about this :(

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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 02:40:25 AM »
JVS is so right about this. Sadly, we have lost another gun company. The new company will go thought centralization, followed by downsizing followed by return on investment studies, more downsizing, reduction in quality standards to increase return on investment, dissection and elimination of departments, intentionally allowing customer complaints on quality issues to rise due to knowingly reducing quality standards, the list goes on and on. This makes me sad.

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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 05:35:37 PM »
Here's a sad story about the impact on the local community.

I never had a chance to buy a Remington. Always wanted to, never had the funds. I've been looking at a Model Seven in 204 Ruger, but it was just too much $$$. Now I wonder if I'll ever have the chance.  :( :(
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Sale of Remington Brings Worry and Hope
 
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Apr 6, 2007 : 6:20 pm ET

ILION, N.Y. -- The $370 million acquisition of historic Remington Arms by a New York City-based private-equity firm has left this upstate community feeling somewhat unsettled -- but also hopeful for a better future.

The 191-year-old gun maker was purchased Thursday by Cerberus Capital Management. Cerberus is buying Remington for about $118 million and taking on its $252 million in debt.

While Cerberus officials said they saw "tremendous value" in Remington, they indicated little else about the direction they will take the company, which is one of the two largest gunmakers in the United States. The sale is expected to be completed in June.

News of the new ownership circulated quickly in the community Thursday, and workers, business owners and residents worried about the future of one of Herkimer County's largest employers.

"It would be like a ghost town if they were gone," said John Lombardo, who owns a pizza shop near the plant.

Many employees were not surprised by the sale, said Stephen Brown of Ilion, who has worked at the factory for 12 years.

"We knew that there were some people looking at it," he said. "There were a lot of rumors."

But now workers are trying to fathom what it might mean for them.

Thirty-four-year employee Steve Winslow said he would have to leave the area if he lost his job.

"There's nothing else around here," he said. "Of course everybody is worried."

The plant has survived rumors of a shut down dating back a decade or more.

In 1998, a state-funded aid package helped the Ilion plant modernize amid union concerns that Remington Arms planned to shift production to Elizabethtown, Ky.

"I don't anticipate any negative impact from the sale," said state Sen. James Seward. "In fact, once the dust settles a little bit here, we intend to reach out to the top people at Remington and their new owners and talk about ways we can have an expanded role here at the Ilion plant."

But that doesn't mean there won't be some worrying involved, said Assemblyman Marc Butler.

"Anything that affects Remington Arms, which is the backbone of our local economy, is very unsettling," he said.

The company was founded in Ilion in 1816 by Eliphalet Remington. The privately held company is now based in Madison, N.C. and employs 2,500 at several locations, including the plant in Ilion with 1,000 employees. The company makes rifles, shotguns and ammunition, but not handguns.

After several years of slumping earnings, Remington posted profits of $107.6 million last year on sales totaling $446 million, a nearly 9 percent jump from 2005, said Remington Chief Executive Officer Tommy Millner.

Remington's sale to Cerberus is an acknowledgment of Remington's strong brand name and tradition, Millner said.

"We see this sponsorship as an opportunity to enhance our production capabilities and product offering and further our growth both domestically and internationally," he said.

The U.S. firearms industry includes about 200 companies in a $2 billion annual market. American manufacturers are challenged by increased federal regulations, lawsuits and imports taking on a larger share of the business, according to analysts.

Cerberus has assured Remington that no staff cuts are planned, Remington spokesman Al Russo said.

"It's just a change in ownership," he said. "Right now, there is no anticipated change in employment for anybody."

Nevertheless, Cerberus has made tens of billions of dollars worth of corporate acquisitions in recent years, earning a reputation for taking troubled firms and reworking them into profitability. Those changes have often involved layoffs and asset sales.

Officials in Herkimer County, in which the town sits, and neighboring Oneida County, will have to work together to protect against any setbacks stemming from the sale, said Oneida County Executive Anthony Picente.

"I really hope that it means a positive and not anything less for the area," Picente said

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Re: Remington has been sold.
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2007, 09:29:00 AM »
   Nothing good seems to come from the sale of a Gun manufacturer.  Either the quality goes way down, models are dropped or they just go belly up  because of  mis-management.
   Better get your  "mad-money" from under the mattress. Hit the next gun show in your area and pick up a
   good Remington.   
   You can bet "if" and that`s a major lf, Remington were to fold their guns will jump in price like Winchesters has.
    Time will tell.
   
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Re: Remington has been sold.
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2007, 01:27:35 PM »
You can bet "if" and that`s a major lf, Remington were to fold their guns will jump in price like Winchesters has.

I doubt that Remington will be that bad that they would not make guns any more, but at this point, anything can happen.  Savage went through this years ago and emerged as a major player in the gun market.  The Jury is still out if Winchester will survive, and now Remiongton joins them.   Domestic Manufacturing in general has been going through a major reconstruction over the past 2 decades.   Remington managers should be congradulated for lasting this long.

I think the quesyion is:  Will Remington still be a basic American made firearm.  Apparently Remington can not survive doing business they way it always has.  Hence the sale of Remington Arms.  Like other businesses, I believe that Legacy costs played a big role in the decision to sell.

Look for cuts that not only affect the way Remingtons are built, but also the Labor used to do business... Remington could end up Meaner and Greener, like S&W and Savage, or they could fade away.  Either way, things will never be the same at Remington Arms.  It all depends on what their customers will put up with.     

I would be willing to bet that the Custom Shop will not survive.  I am hoping that Arms, Outdoor Gear and Ammo survives for a long, long time.
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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2007, 09:27:20 AM »
Looks like Remington is about to change drastically.

I saw a few different stories already about this sale.  Each time the name of the buyer was misspelled.  The correct spelling is Cerberus Capital Management.  I found this out by doing a seach on the web to find out just who bought Remington.

It appears that CCM-LP is a Vulture type business, a Hedge Fund, that looks for distressed Companies to buy out.  Some of the time, CCM-LP dissects those comapnies and sells off the parts that are not profitable.  Leaving only Bare Bone businesses left in the ashes.

Since nobody here knows exactly what parts of Remington aren't doing very well, I can only assume that the future of Remington rifles (and ammo) may be in the same boat as Winchester is and Savage was years ago.  Obviously, since Winchester was already in the doldrums, this Company wanted nothing to do with buying Winchester, But this may be what is in store for Remington in the not too distant future.

Will it be long before you can not say that Remingtons are still made in the USA?  Possibly.  And it is quite possible that Remington rifles may get 'Cheaper'.  I can just see a Savage style bolt on all Remingtons now.
With only 118M in assets and 252M in debt, how long was Remington going to last on their own?  Someone was either going to have assume Remington's debt and take over as Cerberus has done, or Remington was going to fold.  At least Remington now has an influx of capital and has a chance of turning things around under new management.  Cerberus CEO is a hunter and firearms enthusiast.

Cerberus MO, from what I can gather isn't necessarily to part companies out or to ship them overseas.  It's usually a change in management strategy and strategic capital investments that turn faultering companies around.

Let's face it, with more than twice the amount of debt than they had assets and only one of four years out of the red, Remington was going down on their own.  They weren't going to survive by themselves.  Cerberus might be the only thing that saves them.  If they can't, it wasn't anything that wasn't going to happen anyway...

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Re: Remingtons been sold.
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2007, 04:12:23 PM »
Looks like Remington is about to change drastically.

I saw a few different stories already about this sale.  Each time the name of the buyer was misspelled.  The correct spelling is Cerberus Capital Management.  I found this out by doing a seach on the web to find out just who bought Remington.

It appears that CCM-LP is a Vulture type business, a Hedge Fund, that looks for distressed Companies to buy out.  Some of the time, CCM-LP dissects those comapnies and sells off the parts that are not profitable.  Leaving only Bare Bone businesses left in the ashes.

Since nobody here knows exactly what parts of Remington aren't doing very well, I can only assume that the future of Remington rifles (and ammo) may be in the same boat as Winchester is and Savage was years ago.  Obviously, since Winchester was already in the doldrums, this Company wanted nothing to do with buying Winchester, But this may be what is in store for Remington in the not too distant future.

Will it be long before you can not say that Remingtons are still made in the USA?  Possibly.  And it is quite possible that Remington rifles may get 'Cheaper'.  I can just see a Savage style bolt on all Remingtons now.
With only 118M in assets and 252M in debt, how long was Remington going to last on their own?  Someone was either going to have assume Remington's debt and take over as Cerberus has done, or Remington was going to fold.  At least Remington now has an influx of capital and has a chance of turning things around under new management.  Cerberus CEO is a hunter and firearms enthusiast.

Cerberus MO, from what I can gather isn't necessarily to part companies out or to ship them overseas.  It's usually a change in management strategy and strategic capital investments that turn faultering companies around.

Let's face it, with more than twice the amount of debt than they had assets and only one of four years out of the red, Remington was going down on their own.  They weren't going to survive by themselves.  Cerberus might be the only thing that saves them.  If they can't, it wasn't anything that wasn't going to happen anyway...

Very true.

They are one of those companies with some great products & some real duds thrown in. Their marketing has been strange. Don't get me started on their 350RM with  shotgun rib, the 710crap, etc. But the Model 700 is a great platform & many times is grat in factory form.
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Re: Remington has been sold.
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2007, 11:16:19 AM »
The outfit that bought Remington has a history of buying distressed companies and closing down or selling the parts they deem unprofitable.  And as long as they are spending their own money, who can blame them.

Since Remington has a high liability to asset ratio, you can bet that it will take some cutting in areas that wont be very popular among its employees and customers.

I believe that the Custom Shop will be History.  And outsourcing for parts will be rampant.  Don't believe it?  Look at the difference between older and relatively new Savage's.

If you want to show concern, the long time employees will probably take a licking over this.  They will get the worst of it.

In a perfect World... WalMarts doesn't sell anything made in China,  Remington doesn't import the 798 and 799, and GM and Ford use only domestic parts in the U.S made autos.

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Re: Remington has been sold.
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 08:46:24 AM »
As long as they keep the Varmint line (or any heavy barreled model) going, I *personally* wouldn't lose any sleep over this transition/acquisition. I highly doubt the 870 line will be changed drastically so again, no sleep loss on my part.

jvs is correct, we might be concerned about Big Greens future and what happens might disrupt our purchasing plans BUT... imagine being an employee of the company? I hope it all works out for the best.

I also wonder how this determines what military and law enforcement agencies will do in the future? A lot of M24/M40/Police/LTR 700s are in service with more agencies signing on every day. Same goes for the 870/1100 tactical models used by Leo's and such. Do they look for another supplier/manufacturer?

Time will tell I suppose.....