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Offline Incitatus

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New-old cannon
« on: April 06, 2007, 02:53:36 AM »
I bought this on eBay.

Back story: Dug up in France (adding the cachet of buying an illegally exported element of the cultural patrimony to the exercise ) evidently somewhat recently.

45" o/a. approx. 1.5" bore.

Dated to the "early to mid 1700's" and described as "a signal or salute cannon".

I don't think so. If my understanding of ordnance is accurate, small cannon such as this would have been yoke mounted at that time (ie. trunnions emanating from the sides of the barrel). As you can see it has a tab that fits into a yoke below the barrel. I saw some closeups of the pivot thing and it does not look to be slapped on recently, so that appears to be the original mode of mounting. Also, swivel guns of that era were short. 24" or so. This long (relative to caliber) thing seems to me to be considerably earlier. I'd sorta guess at least 100 years earlier.

I've seen illustrations of similar kinds of tubes with similar kinds of mountings that were described as "garrison guns" or somesuch. 

Any thoughts on what it is or when it was made?

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Re: New-old cannon
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 07:26:10 AM »
I don't have a clue to what it is, but I WANT one, or a replica there-of.

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Re: New-old cannon
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 08:13:58 AM »
Quote from: Cat Whisperer on April 06, 2007, 07:26:10 AM
I don't have a clue to what it is, but I WANT one, or a replica there-of.



When it arrives I will be happy to take some good pictures and make accurate measurements.
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Re: New-old cannon
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 05:04:02 PM »
Carronades are usualy pinned to their carriages like this but that looks odd on a long gun.
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Re: New-old cannon
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2007, 03:39:12 AM »
Quote from: Cannonball on April 06, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Carronades are usualy pinned to their carriages like this but that looks odd on a long gun.

I've seen old guns mounted like that on sort of a tricycle looking thing.  I just can't find the reference.

Very frustrating.
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Re: New-old cannon
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 04:13:46 PM »
Well, I have it and did the necessary research.

It turns out that it is Southern German and dates to right around 1540.  Toward the end of the 16th c. the sort of angular muzzle end of these things became the reinforced muzzles that we are so used to seeing.  It is a double-weight haquebut or  doppelhaken.  It turns out that one of my contacts in Germany has a smaller version that would have been stocked (mine was not) with a date on it.

This is a bad photoshop paste-up of what it sorta would have looked like.

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