Remington 798

[the jigger]

does anyone here have any experience with this rifle? i read the article in "shooting times" in the august '06 issue. no one around has one and a couple of stores had no idea what i was talking about.
i'm interested in 25/06 and my partner is interested in 7mm rem mag. thanks for any responses.

[safetysheriff]

i'll gladly take a Remington Model 700..........made in America.......over any rifle made in a Russian (communist) factory any day!    i'll buy from our allies........but i don't want to buy from our enemies.

i doubt you can buy a Russian-made rifle that will, on the average, outshoot the 'average' Model 700 from the Remingtons i've worked with.    and i doubt that the Russkie will have a better price by much, if by any at all.

just my thoughts on the subject,

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[deltecs]

I haven't seen a Rem 798 but have researched the background on this rifle.  The action is made in the Czech Republic just like the CZ USA rifles.  BRNO had an outstanding reputation for excellence in the firearms community as reliable and well made.  I would agree with previous posts regarding American made firearms if it were true today.  Sadly, it is not.  Relatively recent, our 2 major long standing firearms companies were purchased by outside interests.  Winchester and now Remington by companies with reputations for hostile takeovers.  I do not foresee Remington as a major player anymore in the American firearms markets.  When Winchester dropped the classic line of bolt action rifles, the sales of Winchesters plummeted.  So too willl Remington.  For the price and quality, equal or above the Remington 798, is CZ USA's selection of firearms.  The finish is tolerable, the wood fit ok, and the balance good.  Its stock grades are excellent.  It is too bad that our American Arms Companies with few exceptions are now in financial difficulty.  I think I'll buy one of the 798's in the rarest caliber I can find, just for a collector's item.

[Zachary]

I didn't know that Remington got bought out.  Do you know by who?  And when?

Zachary

[deltecs]

Zachary,  here is a copy of one of the articles I read from the Chattanooga Outdoors Newsletter.

"Remington Arms Sold
posted April 6, 2007

Remington Arms Company, Inc. the only manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition for Hunting, Law Enforcement/Security, Government & Military applications in the United States, announced that it will be acquired by an affiliate of Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. as part of a definitive agreement between Cerberus and RACI Holding, Inc. for an estimated value of $370 million (which includes the assumption of all of Remington Arms Company, Inc.'s approximate $252 million of funded indebtedness related to the Revolving Credit Facility, 10.5% Senior Subordinated Notes due 2011 and other indebtedness as of such date) before transaction related fees and expenses.
About Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.

Established in 1992, Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. is one of the world's leading private investment firms with approximately $23.5 billion under management in funds and accounts. Through its team of more than 275 investment and operations professionals, Cerberus specializes in providing both financial resources and operational expertise to help transform undervalued companies into industry leaders for long-term success and value creation. Cerberus is headquartered in New York City, with affiliate and/or advisory offices in Chicago, Los Angeles, Atlanta, London, Baarn, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Osaka and Taipei."

I don't know what everybody else thinks about this trans action but when I look at the places where the offices of Cerberus is located, it doesn't appear to me to be a positive feeling about this sale.  With management not familiar with firearms, what can the outcome be for management decisions?   An acquisition company providing cost effective methods of production to an industry necessitating quality?  Not if it cost money, it won't.  I stand by my previous post until proven wrong and I sincerely hope I am.

[Zachary]

As a corporate attorney, I would imagine that the new company would first cut the fat, meaning get rid of anything that you really don't need, but don't sacrifice quality.  I'll bet you anything that the new company knows that Remington is going downhill for 2 reasons: 1) bad management, and 2) many (but obviously not all) people complaining about the reduction in quality.)  I would expect to see an investment in better management, as well as more modern equipment and quality control.  This is the only way that Remington will make it through the long term.  And, even if it initially costs more money to get a newer and better product made, the new company will certainly need to make an additional nitial investment of selling their guns at a low price to get people's attention and make them buy it.  That way, after word gets around that the quality is great, then they can GRADUALLY increase the price of their guns and have a strong and steady growth, just like Tikka did.

Only time will tell.  But one thing is for sure: I won't buy a "newer" or "new" Remington for a while, until I hear/see what kind of products the New Remington is producing.

Zachary

[BGD]

I haven't seen a Rem 798 but have researched the background on this rifle.  The action is made in the Czech Republic just like the CZ USA rifles.  BRNO had an outstanding reputation for excellence in the firearms community as reliable and well made.  I would agree with previous posts regarding American made firearms if it were true today.  Sadly, it is not.  Relatively recent, our 2 major long standing firearms companies were purchased by outside interests.  Winchester and now Remington by companies with reputations for hostile takeovers.  I do not foresee Remington as a major player anymore in the American firearms markets.  When Winchester dropped the classic line of bolt action rifles, the sales of Winchesters plummeted.  So too willl Remington.  For the price and quality, equal or above the Remington 798, is CZ USA's selection of firearms.  The finish is tolerable, the wood fit ok, and the balance good.  Its stock grades are excellent.  It is too bad that our American Arms Companies with few exceptions are now in financial difficulty.  I think I'll buy one of the 798's in the rarest caliber I can find, just for a collector's item.

Remington Models 798 and 799 (In Serbia and the rest of Europe these models are known as M85) are made in ZASTAVA ARMS Company located in  Kragujevac, Serbia.  The company was founded in 1853.  It has an excellent reputation in both military and civilian program.  These rifles are excellent buy and have better value then most 700 models.  That's probably why Remington ended the contract with Zastava Arms.  I have one (799) in .223 and I was getting less than 1" groups @ 200 yards out of box, using Remington AccuTip-V 55gr with hot or cold barrel.  It didn't make any difference.  The finish is not tolerable, it is rich and probably better than on most Remington, Winchester and Browning models.  Just because these rifles are not made in USA it doesn't mean they are not good enough.
That was a poor reasearch btw...   
CZ "Czeska Zbrojevka", company is located in Czech Republic and has nothing to do with models 798 and 799.   

    http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_798_799_rifles.htm

[CIG]

I bought one in January from this site:  http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

Mine was in 375 H&H.  Action was glass bedded in and was difficult to get out, not enough release agent.  I was surprised it was glass bedded from the factory.  Trigger needed adjustment and was not easy to adjust, but once set it has stayed set after 70 rounds.  I free floated the barrel and I have no complaints.  Price could not be beat especially for a 375 H&H.  I show CDNN has one in the download catalog chambered in 243. 

[jhm]

     I have the 799 in 7.62X39 that our special son has used to take a couple deer with, it will hold its own with both my model 7s and will outshoot several of the 700s I have here on the place.   Jim

[Rangr44]

A friend bought a .30-06 Rem 798, basically a highly-finished Mauser 98 with a Remington BDL stock, and likes it just fine, with no issues.

It's not a super-accurate 500yd gnat-zapper, but it's just as accurate as any other .30-06 sporting boltgun I've fired.

BTW - AFAIK, the Remington M798 "Mauser" & the M799 "Mini-Mauser's" aren't "Russian made", they're Czech (Zavasta), the same county of origin as the "revered" CZ rifles.

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[BGD]

A friend bought a .30-06 Rem 798, basically a highly-finished Mauser 98 with a Remington BDL stock, and likes it just fine, with no issues.

It's not a super-accurate 500yd gnat-zapper, but it's just as accurate as any other .30-06 sporting boltgun I've fired.

BTW - AFAIK, the Remington M798 "Mauser" & the M799 "Mini-Mauser's" aren't "Russian made", they're Czech (Zavasta), the same county of origin as the "revered" CZ rifles.

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It's not  "CZ" Company and it's not from Czech Republic.  The name of the company is ZASTAVA ARMS,  Serbia.

[MGMorden]

The original question was asked in 2007 - I'm sure he's found one or given up by now .

That said, Serbia (nor The Czech Republic, or even Russia anymore for that matter) is not Communist.  Heck the only communist states left are China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and Laos.  Even China is starting to shift from communism to simply a party-controlled fascist state (not that it's any better - just saying that communism isn't working out).  The still claim communism in name, but in practice it's nearly dead.

Communism only works in a perfect world where there is no greed and no one lusts for power (yeah, right).  Given that the world is not and never will be perfect, almost everywhere that tried communism is coming around to the idea if abandoning it and trying something more realistic.  Once China officially drops it the war against communism was essentially a success.  The remaining communist players are relatively minor powers.

[glazer1972]

It's not  "CZ" Company and it's not from Czech Republic.  The name of the company is ZASTAVA ARMS,  Serbia.

This needed to be said again.

[Coyote Hunter]

Here’s my take on the Remington 798 rifles – “No, thanks”.

None that I’ve looked at were satisfactory in terms of fit and finish and all were too expensive for what they were.  They all felt like they had sand in the action.  For the price I could easily buy a much nicer, gently used rifle – and I’ve done so several times.

When I wanted a Mauser action for a custom built 6.5-06AI, I purchased an Interarms Mark X action, new, and also made by Zastava but much more nicely finished than the 798’s.   Used Interarms rifles in good condition routinely sell for about $350 at the local gun shows (or did a couple years ago).

Here’s the 6.5-06AI I had built:

[Rangr44]

It's not  "CZ" Company and it's not from Czech Republic.  The name of the company is ZASTAVA ARMS,  Serbia.

This needed to be said again.

OK           

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[drdougrx]

That said, Serbia (nor The Czech Republic, or even Russia anymore for that matter) is not Communist.  Heck the only communist states left are China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and Laos.  Even China is starting to shift from communism to simply a party-controlled fascist state (not that it's any better - just saying that communism isn't working out).  The still claim communism in name, but in practice it's nearly dead.

Seems you forget Massachusetts........

[Swampman]

If you want a good rifle buy a Remington 700, if you don't mind oats that have already been through the horse then there are plenty of others to select from.

[351 power]

PREDICTABLE. but i still enjoy a number of rifles with no hang ups on brand. if i find a good rifle, any brand, i use it. poor ones get traded away.

[Swampman]

Me too!

[Casull]

Swampman, one word - 597!!!!!!!

[Swampman]

Excellent rifles.....

[Casull]

Excellent rifles.....

Only if you like oats that have already been through a horse.  Seriously, your allegiance to Remington is comical.

[Swampman]

It isn't to Remington, it's to the best quality.

[Coyote Hunter]

Swampman, five words -
597!!!!!!!
710!!!!!!!
770!!!!!!!
798!!!!!!!
799!!!!!!!

Fixed that for you...

[Swampman]

You should love the last 2 they are exactly like yours and made in the same factory.  The others are the best in their class but none are the equal of the 700.  None are....

[MGMorden]

he others are the best in their class

Ok, wait.  Did you honestly just refer to the 710 and 770 as "best in their class"?  Swamp I think you finally went off the deep end on that one .

I've never understood your devotion to the Remington 700.  They're very good rifles, but just 1 of many very good rifles on the market today.  The 710 and 770 though are utter junk. 

I've always been a much bigger fan of Remington's shotguns than their rifles anyways. 

[Mr. Joe]

I seriously do think the 597 is a great rifle assuming a few things...

1) you have the newer version of the magazines
2) your bolt guide rod screws are not over tightened (which they often are from the factory)

These guns flat out shoot.  They are consistently the most accurate out of the box autos on the firing line that i have seen.  The stocks size and shape are also better suited to a grown man than say a 10/22s factory stock IMHO.  

They have had a lot of problems in the past but i honestly feel Remington has them all ironed out at this point and i would not hesitate to recommend one.

speaking of which...i should buy one


and yes...the 798s are not made by cz...not even close.  They are made in serbia by zastava.  Good quality really but they stocks are nasty imho.

[Coyote Hunter]

You should love the last 2 they are exactly like yours and made in the same factory.  The others are the best in their class but none are the equal of the 700.  None are....

The last two (798 and 799) are not even close to the quality of my Interarms Mark X action.   Yes, they are made by the same company but its like comparing a green peach to a ripe one.

[Coyote Hunter]

Ok, wait.  Did you honestly just refer to the 710 and 770 as "best in their class"?  Swamp I think you finally went off the deep end on that one .

I've never understood your devotion to the Remington 700.  They're very good rifles, but just 1 of many very good rifles on the market today.  The 710 and 770 though are utter junk.  
...

Ditto to all that...

Let me add the 798 and 799 don't measure up to the Savage or Marlin bolt guns.  I'd even take a Stevens, which is just a Savage without but attention to cosmetics.  They shoot great and, unlike the 798/799, they don't feel like they have sand in the action.

[Swampman]

You should love the last 2 they are exactly like yours and made in the same factory.  The others are the best in their class but none are the equal of the 700.  None are....

The last two (798 and 799) are not even close to the quality of my Interarms Mark X action.   Yes, they are made by the same company but its like comparing a green peach to a ripe one.

Exactly the same department store firearms.  Made for folks who can't afford the best rifle you can buy.....The Remington Model 700.