Politicians who court the hunting/shooting crowd

[muskeg13]

Does it bother anyone else when lifelong antigun politicians have overnight conversions and attempt to portray themselves as one of us and supportive of our gun rights?  It doesn't matter if the phoney in question has a D or R behind their name.  In fact, for me, the deceitful R's are even more distasteful.  Mitt Romney claims to be a lifelong hunter, gun owner and protector of the Second Amendment.  But it turns out that Romney may have only hunted twice in his life, doesn't own any guns, enforced the most draconian gun laws of any state in the country, and there is no record of him ever applying for a hunting license. Kerry's staged duck hunt didn't fool anyone.  Rudy Giuliani's strange statement that while he believes in the Second Amendment, it just didn't apply in NYC while he was mayor doesn't pass muster.  Take a hard look at John McCain's voting record too, and you'll see that he is no friend of America's gunowners. 

Well there is one potential candidate who would staunchly defend our gun rights, knows the muzzle from the butt, and wouldn't show up with his barrel still packed with cosmoline.
http://www.gunweek.com/2000/feature0810.html

[Mikey]

Fred Thompson is an interesting sort of guy.  I see him often on tv the Ciminal Intent show.  I like hearing what he has to say, especially in the face of many of the anti-gun characters also on the show.  I also like what he has to say when one of his asst DAs wants to bend the Constitution to suit their approach.

I know this is all just 'hollywood' but if that man is anything like the character he portrays I think we would find a common sense type individual we could support.

Now, if we could just find a couple more like Thompson, and throw a few more Ted Nugents into the mix we might have the makings of a decent ticket.  JMHO.  Mikey.

[stimpylu32]

Mikey

I like the way you think , but we all know that common sence will never have a place it the leadership of this country. 

stimpy

[Graybeard]

ALL of the Law and Order shows to include Criminal Intent are taken as a group the MOST ANTIGUN shows ever to appear on TV. I don't have a clue who this Fred Thompson is but if he is a part of that show I'd not trust him as far as I can throw an elephant and believe me that's not far. There is not one single character in that series of shows who hasn't made grossly antigun statements in every show and done more than their fair share to do away with the Second Amendment.

[Sourdough]

For those that don't know, Fred Thompson was appointed to the US Senate to fill Albert Gore Jrs. (that's his real name) position from Tennessee when he quite to be Vice President.  Fred Thompson did a quest spot on Law And Order.  After he retired from the US Senate he was asked to join the cast of Law And Order.  Everything I have read and heard about the guy, is that he is second ammendment and progun.  I may be wrong, but at the moment I feel he is our best shot for President.

But the whole idea may be mute since he released the news yesterday that he has been diagnosed with cancer.  I did not read what type or how serious it is.  If someone else knows let us know.  I will try and find the article I where I saw this yesterday.  Rog

[ironglow]

  From what I saw, Fred Thompson does not now have cancer and is in remission...but he still has lymphoma.. Not being in the med field, I cannot explain further.
   I am not sure of Thompson's stance on hunting/guns and am not very cozy with Romney or Guliani's stance...and the democrats that are front runners..well, their positions are a foregone conclusion/.

   Those "sudden" hunters/gun owners are like those "sudden" Christians we find in politics:
 
   The sudden hunters can't tell you the difference between a .45 ACP and a .450 Marlin..

   The sudden Christians...are put off by suggestions of "the blood" and figure that ATONEMENT is some new kind prisoner release program...LOL
   

[muskeg13]

Where does Fred Thompson stand on the Second Amendment?  (courtesy of Sturm Ruger at http://draftfredthompson.com)

“U.S. Senator Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.), a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, announced he will not seek re-election this year. His support of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms will certainly be missed.”
- NRA-ILA Fax Alert Vol. 9, No. 10, 3/8/2002
http://nrawinningteam.com/0203/thompson.html

Fred Thompson on Gun Control:
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

Fred Thompson on SenateMatch:
Strongly Favors topic 10: Absolute right to gun ownership
(10 points on Social scale)
YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks: Strongly Favors topic 10
YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows: Favors topic 10
NO on background checks at gun shows: Strongly Favors topic 10
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson_SenateMatch.htm

"Fred... voted for numerous measures in support of Second Amendment rights. (Charlton Heston campaigned for him in ‘94.)"
- Mark Alexander, HaveGunWillVote.com
http://www.havegunwillvote.com/index.php?sec=news&id=420

The GOP Candidates on the Second Amendment
"The NY Sun reviews the position of the serious GOP presidential candidates on the most battered of all constitutionally-enshrined God given rights, that of self defense from crime and tyranny...
By comparison [to Romeny, guiliani and McCain], Mr. [Fred] Thompson’s relationship with gun-rights groups is sterling. A 2000 report from a campaign-finance watchdog group, Common Cause, found that the NRA, Gun Owners of America, and the Georgia Gun Owners PAC donated $188,954 to Mr. Thompson between 1993 and 1999; the groups donated more only to Dr. Frist."
http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/2007/04/05/the_gop_candidates_on_the_second_amendment.php

Fred Thompson, the actor and former U.S. senator, wins plaudits from the National Rifle Association and others who defend firearms access. He said in a Fox News interview last month, "Well, I'm against gun control generally."
By contrast Mitt Romney as Massachusetts governor praised his state's tough gun laws, though he's since joined the NRA. Sen. John McCain has had scrapes with the NRA, though he's generally been protective of gun ownership. Giuliani, as New York City mayor, supported strong government restrictions on all firearms
Dan Janison, Newsday, April 9, 2007
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/ny-lispin095164260apr09,0,4516399.story

Former Sen. Fred Thompson on ‘FOX News Sunday’
WALLACE: Gun control.

THOMPSON: Well, I’m against gun control generally. You know, you check my record. You’ll find I’m pretty consistent on that issue.

WALLACE: So this federal court — appeals court ruling this last week, I guess Friday, in the case of D.C. — you’d be perfectly happy to have people have handguns in their homes?

THOMPSON: Yes. Absolutely. The court basically said the Constitution means what it says, and I agree with that.

- Chris Wallace, Fox News Sunday,March 11, 2007
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258222,00.html

[Mauser]

Now please don't jump all over me, but in the case of Romney keep in mind that he was the governor of Massachusetts, not Wyoming.  Though I'm not sure he is electable and though I would much prefer Fred Thompson, I seriously doubt Romney would push gun control as president.  I'm not one who thinks we should give politicians a pass on their legislative history very often but sometimes we do need to be a little practical.  If we are not then we are going to get Hillary or Obama and then you'll see some serious attempts at gun control. 

Romney wanted to be Governor of Massachusetts (this fact alone raises some ?'s for me) he wasn't going to get there by saying he was the second coming of Ronald Reagan.  The reality is that politicians from both sides of the aisle operate closer to the middle as president than they did as Governors or Senators.

[ironglow]

  That is some good news Muskeg..
   
    Some folks are going to say in derision, " oh He's just an actor"...
 
  ...Seems I can recall another actor that did a pretty good job..domestically as well as bringing down the Iron curtain...

     ....And did a first class job defending the 2nd amendment !

[powderman]

Remember hanoi john kerry telling about crawling on his belly through the woods deer hunting??? He said, now thats real  hunting. YEP, the dumcraps are our friends. Mccain is a rhino, seems to support all of the dumcraps non values and morals. POWDERMAN. 

[alsaqr]

Done a lot of research on this Romney guy.  Romney is an anti-gunner from way back.  He supported Brady and the federal AWB.   He signed into law the PRMA AWB.  Now he has put on his sheepskin, joined the NRA and claims to be a hunter.   Make no mistake about it:  If it looks like a an anti-gunner, has a history of supporting gun control, never owned a gun and now claims to be a "hunter":  Beware it is an anti-gunner.  Romney is a hunter just like that Kerry shill was a hunter. 

[billy_56081]

 I'm starting to think we are gonna have 2 anti gun politician's for the Major partys in 2008. If so we are going to have too find a strong 3rd party candidate to vote for. I have usually voted republican only because they were the lesser of 2 evils. I will not vote for an anti life or anti gun candidate. So far Fred Thompson is the only guy I have seen that looks promising. I hope his cancer is taken care of and he runs and wins.

[powderman]

The dumcraps have been anti gun, pro death, and pro same sex marriage. Any one of those is enough for me to vote against them. POWDERMAN. 

[nomosendero]

ALL of the Law and Order shows to include Criminal Intent are taken as a group the MOST ANTIGUN shows ever to appear on TV. I don't have a clue who this Fred Thompson is but if he is a part of that show I'd not trust him as far as I can throw an elephant and believe me that's not far. There is not one single character in that series of shows who hasn't made grossly antigun statements in every show and done more than their fair share to do away with the Second Amendment.

You might want to think about that. You are saying everyone on that show makes these remarks & then you say you don't know who he is. 
I don't understand that.
I don't watch the show, so if Mr. Thompson has actually made these anti remarks, will someone please enlighten us? If so, I will take him off my list.

[alsaqr]

Thompson is very pro-gun and his votes in the US Senate bear that out. 

[Brett]

Mikey

I like the way you think , but we all know that common sence will never have a place it the leadership of this country. 

stimpy

I don't think anyone with a lot of common sense would want the job to be honest with you.  Think about it... No matter what you do while in office you will have nearly half the country upset with you.   The hours suck, the pay is far less than most corporate heads make. Your private life is held under a microscope for the world to see and at any given moment there are a dozen or so nut balls who would love to take a shot at you.

[billy_56081]

  Will we ever get a candidate to run that will be running for the love of this great country? I want a guy that doesn't want to change our country. A person that believes America is the best place in the world. A good candidate would not want to be president. Truly we would be served better by a random lottery of citicens than by most politicians we have now. I get sick of seeing the party line.

[Brett]

  Will we ever get a candidate to run that will be running for the love of this great country? I want a guy that doesn't want to change our country. A person that believes America is the best place in the world.

Ronald Reagen was the last of that breed I fear.

[dodd3]

i liked Ronald Reagen  he came across as a man for the every day people,he never forgot his roots .just a dam nice guy.
bernie