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Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« on: April 13, 2007, 05:51:28 AM »
Friend bought one on my recommendation and we are having issues getting it to group.  We get significant vertical fliers.  Shoot 4 shots, 3 in 1.5-2" and one flier 3.5-4" higher, or sometimes even lower.  We are bagging the gun back on stock to avoid the sling stud and using several different 140 grain loads.  Trigger is good and scope is mounted well. 

I can slip a piece of paper between barrel and stock...not only behind pressure pad in the forend, but actually at the pad with a little effort.  It is tighter, but still fits.  That seems very wrong to me.  I would think you would want free-floated...or...good solid contact at the pressure pad.  I am guessing that slight contact at the pad is causing the fliers by the barrel adjusting its contact location between shots and at different temperatures.  Barrel is very thin contour.  We are wating 4-5 minutes between shots and it was very cold on the day we shot last.

I expect to try shimming at the pad with a business card to increase pressure somewhat and see what happens.  Alternatively, we might try free floating down the roda, but the shimming plan is less permanent and worth a try.

Note I do not believe our technique is the problem.  I can shoot 1.5" groups at 200 yards with some of my handguns and my rifle technique is not that bad.  I shot sub 1/5" group with a pistol at 50 yards off of the same rest that day.  Solid concrete bench.

Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.

Barry
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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 06:15:10 AM »
Most likely a bedding issue. Take metal from wood. Use sandpaper to smooth any burrs you see. Make sure to properly bed at least the recoil lug in epoxy. Some times the full action needs to be bedded. Make sure action screws are properly tight. Doublel check that it's not the load by using some other load to see if the same happens.

My LSS '30-06 never did group right until we glass bedded the action and recoil lug than it became a sub MOA gun with most loads. My LSS 7-08 was bedded that way even before firing it so dunno what it might would have done had it not been bedded.


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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 10:41:26 PM »
I have a Winchester Featherweight that was like that when I first took it out to the range.  It shot about 2" high and 2" to the right every third or fourth round or so.

The solution was three-fold.  Wood touching the barrel when the barrel got hot, bedding the lug and the liability trigger, which was lightened to about 3 pounds. 

Out of all of them, I believe that heavy trigger was more to blame.
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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 09:50:00 AM »
www.6mmbr.com has an archives section, and so on.   Speedy Gonzales has an article on curing 'vertical', with some elements of 'horizontal' also discussed.   it is very informative.

good shooting to you,

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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 06:25:36 PM »
MINE SHOOTS 1/2 INCH GROUPS BONE STOCK,AND I BOUGHT IT BRAND NEW, AND YOU CAN NOT GET ANY PAPER UNDER MY BARREL..MINE LIKES THE FUSION AMMO,AND I HAVENT HAD ANY FLIERS YET,EVEN WHEN THE BARREL WARMS UP IT STILL SHOOTS LIKE I STATED..
IM JUST WONDERING IF I BED THE ACTION LIKE GREYBEARD DID WILL IT GET ANY BETTER...???IM SATISFIED BY ALL MEANS THOUGH WITH HOW IT SHOOTS NOW...TRY THE FUSION AMMO,I HAVE THE SAME SET UP AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....GOODLUCK.

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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 06:41:45 PM »
trophytaker...

.5" groups at 100 yards out of the box and you want to mess with it? You may be asking for trouble if you tinker with it. It might give you peace of mind to bed it but don't expect much better groups than you're already getting. People always want to bed because they hear its the cool thing to do. I say if it shoots good, leave it. Just my opinion ofcourse....

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*I should take my own advice. I've bedded 2 rifles that simply did not need it. Accuracy was exactly the same afterwards with both(sub MOA).

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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2007, 11:46:37 PM »
MINE SHOOTS 1/2 INCH GROUPS BONE STOCK,AND I BOUGHT IT BRAND NEW, AND YOU CAN NOT GET ANY PAPER UNDER MY BARREL..MINE LIKES THE FUSION AMMO,AND I HAVENT HAD ANY FLIERS YET,EVEN WHEN THE BARREL WARMS UP IT STILL SHOOTS LIKE I STATED..
IM JUST WONDERING IF I BED THE ACTION LIKE GREYBEARD DID WILL IT GET ANY BETTER...???IM SATISFIED BY ALL MEANS THOUGH WITH HOW IT SHOOTS NOW...TRY THE FUSION AMMO,I HAVE THE SAME SET UP AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....GOODLUCK.

Anytime you get a Rifle that shoots like that out of the box ...  LEAVE IT ALONE

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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2007, 11:47:06 PM »
Agreed, don't mess with success. A hunting rifle turning in 1/2 MOA groups is not one to go fooling around with.


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Re: Rem 700 7mm-08 LSS Mountain Rifle vertical fliers.
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 12:52:16 PM »
Added two business cards the other day at the pressure pad and it is about a 1.5" gun now.  Will need to make it permanent...plastic shim...brass shim...something.
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