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Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:56:39 PM »
Hi Folks

I have an honest question for you all

Why is it many of us are so callous about whether people stay or not on these many forums on the web?

I know that sometimes people get overly sensitive because they did not get their way and leave but sometimes it is not that way.

Many times I have heard people get into a little misunderstanding (like a post was deleted and they honestly don't know why as an example) next thing you know they are gone.

What hurts me is how quick fellow gun folk are to just say "see ya and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out"

Why are we like this?  Shouldn't we be trying to figure out problems and stick together?

There are so few of us we should not be fighting amongst ourselves.  If we don't hang together we will hang separately

Not trying to start a stir, just asking that we be kinder to each other.

take care and be safe
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 05:45:42 PM »
Kinda hard to talk such generalities, I like to deal in specifics. I have set up what I feel are reasonable rules for this site. Those who either cannot or will not abide by them I don't even want here. If they don't go on their own I'll give them a little shove. I believe that is why the site has grown as it has and it will be kept that way. It's a site where the entire family can feel comfortable and where the parents in a Christian home can feel safe letting their children read without fear of seeing things they don't want them to see.

There are plenty of other sites out there these days, thousands of them in fact that have content somewhat like this one. Back when I started this one there likely was 20-30 at most and now there are many thousands. GBO is in the top 400,000 sites on the entire internet. That's right of the over one billion sites on the internet GBO is ranked in the top 400,000 or the top one half of one percent of them all.

So if you think I'm gonna let a trouble maker hang around just to be cozy and keep all folks who "claim" to be shooters/hunters together you'd be BAD wrong. I'll boot anyone I see as causing trouble and trying to upset the apple cart we have here. To date since the site started over ten years ago I've given the boot to about 500 give or take a few and I'm sure I've made a few more mad who left of their own accord. Such is the way of life.

Would you want any and everyone who "claims to be a shooter or hunter or outdoorsman" to come into your home and visit and then to act anyway they wish? If you say yes then either you've got problems or are lying. Plain talk for a plain question.


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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2007, 01:52:34 AM »
  Thanks for the explanation GB..it makes sense to me.
   You don't get to the top of the heap..just to let some anti or some political hack..chase everyone else off !
 
   While I can understand Kid's plea for civility..GB handles the forum very well !

   ...And by all means, keep it a Christian family friendly website...there are plenty of them out there that are not..for those who want that !

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 02:30:43 AM »
To enjoy this place costs nothing. Along with the pleasure of reading, learning, and discussing, I have even gotten the benefit of selling off some TC barrels with free world-wide advertising.  The rules are simple and fair. 
This is one place I don't have to read foul-mouthed garbage and I like it.  I sure don't agree with everything I read here or most anywhere else for that matter; and Kid Couteau, I admire your gentlemanly plea for peace and kindness.  That's an admirable trait.  I hope you keep that philosophy.  But, crossing the line here and breaking the rules is most always a case of deliberate bad behavior and/or gross ignorance.  Unlike most other places in our society, it doesn't have to be tolerated here, and isn't.  I like it!
Heck, I believe Graybeard even refunds their membership fee if they are not satisfied! 
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2007, 04:37:08 AM »
No one person is so important that their staying or leaving a sight would matter.

I have seen a lot of childish behavior where a member will get his nose bent over some comment someone makes. He will then make a post saying I guess its time for me to go with the hope that people will reply with requests for him to stay. If you want to go then go. If you want to stay then stay.

The rules here can be summed up fairly easily by just saying "don't be an A-hole"  If you break the rules you are probably an A-hole and may get kicked off - I personally won't miss you.

Personally I am tired of listening to people whining about staying or going on forums.

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2007, 04:46:23 AM »
kid_couteau, I don't think people want to put in the time and effort to analyze everyone's personal problems. We are all grown up's here. I don't think anyone needs to be handled with kid gloves on. This is a cruel world we live in and people need to adapt. I support Graybeard in his decisions, I may not always agree with them, but I support them. But in this instance I agree and support him.
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2007, 06:04:24 AM »
You have to admit
It is sad to see money change a great website and cause good people to leave.
We are seeing about the same thing at church.

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2007, 06:55:16 AM »
No one person is so important that their staying or leaving a sight would matter.

I have seen a lot of childish behavior where a member will get his nose bent over some comment someone makes. He will then make a post saying I guess its time for me to go with the hope that people will reply with requests for him to stay. If you want to go then go. If you want to stay then stay.

The rules here can be summed up fairly easily by just saying "don't be an A-hole"  If you break the rules you are probably an A-hole and may get kicked off - I personally won't miss you.

Personally I am tired of listening to people whining about staying or going on forums.


Couldn't have said it better me self even if I had put a lot of thought and effort into it.


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You have to admit
It is sad to see money change a great website and cause good people to leave.
We are seeing about the same thing at church.

Lotsa people are making lotsa assumptions about what prompted the actions we've taken. That's well and good but in reality ONLY me and Matt KNOW why we have done what we've done. ONLY Matt is feeling the pressure in his personal life. Rest assure MOST of your assumptions are erroneous.

But let's talk money for a moment. It costs me thousands of dollars per year to run this site. It takes many hundreds to thousands of hours of mine and Matt's time annually to run this site. We ask not one red cent from any of you to use it and give you as much lattitude in your comments as we feel we can and still keep it the kinda place it was set up to be. It has never been and never will be a place where all are welcome or wanted. If you can't act like an adult, be civil and follow the rules then quite plainly put I don't want you here and rest assured will not allow you to tarry long. If on the other hand you can act like an adult, can be civil and can follow the rules I think you'll like it here.

Matt and I are no happier than any of you are over the current situation and we'll get it back to a more normal situation as soon as we can. Neither myself or Matt are sure where the pressure we're feeling is coming from. Someone is causing us great greive right now both in regard the site and in Matt's personal life. Yes it's also affected the bottom line of GBO and that's not good for any of us. It takes all of our advertiser's dollars to keep this site running. I long tried to keep it from becoming a business but it seemed to take on a life of its own and became one anyway.

Guys this site gets over 100,000 unique visitors per month. Of the more than one billion websites on the internet this one is in the top 400,000. That fact alone makes it a business whether I like it or not. I'd love to have the personal finances to just pay it from my pocket and not even bother having to have advertisers but can't as I'm sure enough not rich. But then I'd miss some of the good folks who are advertisers here then anyway as I think they add a lot to the site more than just the funds to run it. The bring a lot of expertise in their own areas to it that might not be here otherwise.

If you've not run a business the size of this and managed the expenses of it you have absolutely no clue what you'd do in my situation. Sure I could just shut it down if I wanted to but I really don't want to. We have a lot of good folks to enjoy coming here to read and post and I'm not going to let a few trouble makers who like to run off at the mouth and complain about every little thing spoil that for the rest. We've got ten years of effort, time and money in this site and are not going to do anything to ruin that if it can be avoided.


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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2007, 07:28:30 AM »
Thanks Bill:

You are obviously correct.  We are all guests here.  It's your place.  It costs us nothing.  We all need to display much more patience.  Maybe the fact is that this site is so good that it has us all spoiled. Regards to both you and Matt.  I hope it all works out.

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2007, 08:30:02 AM »
I missed what instigated this thread, And I have no need to know.
But speaking from a Technical standpoint I fully understand where you are coming from.
This stuff is a pain in the butt. I am personally responsible for 2 different networks of about 125 computers each and 12 to 16 hour days are pretty normal.. I used to run a website myself (will remain nameless) and in all honesty, that made the load too much to bear and I had to drop it... No need for me to agree or disagree with anything stated above,
Graybeard is correct., This is HIS site and ALL decisions of his should be final. If it were a pay site that might make a difference, but not much.
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2007, 08:32:47 AM »
That's why I stick around.  For some reason I keep thinking of BIG MORTY.  What an idiot.  Glad to see him and others like him gone.  As well as the other folks that can't speak a whole sentence with out swearing.  And all the Antis that tried to push their agenda here.  Keep up the good work Bill and Matt.
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2007, 11:41:59 AM »
  Like Sumner...I don't know what started the incident..so I cannot comment on that..

   ...But GB and Matt are the ones that furnish the " blood, sweat & tears"...and I for one, am grateful to them that I have a website where I can post thoughts freely (and for free)...so long as I don't get obnoxious..
   ...And if I were to become obnoxious...I figure I could expect the moderator to take me to task..
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2007, 12:51:07 PM »
Hi Folks

I have an honest question for you all

Why is it many of us are so callous about whether people stay or not on these many forums on the web?

I know that sometimes people get overly sensitive because they did not get their way and leave but sometimes it is not that way.

Many times I have heard people get into a little misunderstanding (like a post was deleted and they honestly don't know why as an example) next thing you know they are gone.

What hurts me is how quick fellow gun folk are to just say "see ya and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out"

Why are we like this?  Shouldn't we be trying to figure out problems and stick together?

There are so few of us we should not be fighting amongst ourselves.  If we don't hang together we will hang separately

Not trying to start a stir, just asking that we be kinder to each other.

take care and be safe
kid Couteau

A better question may be why do some people get their noses all out of joint so easily over a trivial misunderstanding on these forums and threaten to leave? 

As some have pointed out already there are folks who are just miserable and enjoy making others miserable too.

I think some just like the attention they receive when other good in tensioned members beg them to reconsider.

My feeling is that I have to put up with enough whiners and thin skinned neurotics on the job I don't need to come here for another dose. There are 20k plus members on this forum , and as the old saying goes "One monkey don't stop the show".   This forum has gotten on just fine before their arrival and will continue on well after they have run home to mommy or where ever it is that they go.   If they are unhappy here why beg them to stay... so that they can tell us more about how unhappy they are that things didn't go their way?

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2007, 02:09:19 PM »
so this site has no way of joining as in a membership fee?  its all supported by sponsors? 
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2007, 03:50:17 PM »
so this site has no way of joining as in a membership fee?  its all supported by sponsors? 

Correct.  Who said you can't get something for nothing?
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2007, 06:30:26 PM »
I am just a little bit curious now, so how many people using the GBO classifieds feel that the GBO management owes them something? But before you answer this question I want you to reflect on all your transactions that have taken place using the GBO classifieds and then how much of the money you have made or saved that you passed on to help GBO continue to operate. Well I can answer that second question for every one. NOT ONE SINGLE CENT… and we have never asked you for any either. GBO is NOT an online classifieds system we are an online information storage system. We allow our members to buy sell and trade their wares FREE of charge as an additional service to our members.

Now for those of you who are running around saying that a new GBO sponsor is behind this ban…I can only say that you are ignorant… We have many times in the past removed Paid Advertisers banners for attempting to tell the GBO management what to do. Just as we do with members. No one Member or Advertiser makes or breaks GBO. We have over 20k members and have been online for over 10 years now. We have had many members come and go and yet we are still here. We do not depend on the members to pay us for anything and do not ask them to do so. In fact the only thing we did offer was to allow members to pay to not see the google ads but have removed this option and now everyone gets to see google ads. Though it is the members and the information that they share that makes GBO the great site it is if one member leaves another will take their place. We have had hundreds leave at one time and tell us we will never last without them… hahahahaha… guess what we are still here because those who leave as a general rule are not real contributors to the sharing of information and knowledge that makes GBO what it is anyway.

Now I will make those who want to piss and moan a deal… send me 20k in cash each month and I will let you run the site. No we don’t make 20k in a month or a year for that matter but if you want to make the rules it will cost you that much… any takers…didn’t think so… Now in time the ban will be lifted but only when we decide and not before. I am working on a system that will allow us to use one of our other domain names to handle firearms transactions so that neither GB nor I are responsible for those making questionable transactions. As it is we have had about 100+ members who use the GBO classifieds and do not contribute to GBO in any way selling firearms and going against the GBO rules which are in place to cover our butts with the BATF. These people know who they are and have had their accounts disabled but most are re-registered and still use the classifieds… yeah we know you are still here but as long as you play by the rules we really don’t care.  So the bottom line, be glad we did not stop the classifieds all together.

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2007, 04:34:18 AM »
Are the CLASSIFIEDS what all this is about ?

Matt, Just make a little link to E-BAY and Auction Arms....
That is what those sites are for....
 ;) Problem solved....
Don't get yourself or Graybeard in a Jam because of others
stupidity of possibly selling something illegal...
I have never met you, but I have met Graybeard and he is a good fella'
You both are doing us a great service here "FOR FREE"  and if some do not
like it , They may feel free to leave as far as I am concerned. Their "HAPPINESS"
is not worth any added hassle to you or GB...   
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2007, 05:00:32 AM »
Well, I have allowed my blood pressure to get up a bit
and I guess I ought to keep my mouth shut But what is happening with
Matt and GB sounds very Familiar to me, I have been through it..
GB and MATT, at this time there are 20,711 members here.
I know you didn't want to make this into a business, WHY NOT !
If you charged even 5 bucks a year, that should solve the financial burden
of running the site with a little to boot for your grief..  It will also weed out some less than desirable folks who randomly browse by and try to cause problems. Those who really enjoy this site
should not have a problem coughing up 5 dollars a year for it.. Post up front a disclaimer
that the "ONLY" privilege the 5 bucks gives you is being able to log into the site (Forums that is). And that you will still see adds when you log in. And that the site is not guaranteed to be up and running 24/7 either!  Make a Poll At the top of the forums and see what the folks think.. Put a PO BOX to send it to and my 5 bucks will be in the mail as soon as I see where to send it...
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2007, 05:27:07 AM »
I cannot comment why another would leave with poor feelings. Folks gotta do what they gotta do, I guess.
I have left another site because of conflict but I did not leave with poor feelings or a lot of bad words. I just logged off and have not returned.
I get angry with my wife on occasion--she with me but we have been married 44 years. I think that not everyone can be friends with everybody but I have never met anyone that I couldn't be tolerant of. I have met some that it took work on my part to be tolerant of--I assume it was my problem not theirs.
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2007, 10:26:27 AM »


 GBO is in the top 400,000 sites on the entire internet. That's right of the over one billion sites on the internet GBO is ranked in the top 400,000 or the top one half of one percent of them all.




And its because of the great job that G.B and Matt do that GBO IS SO GREAT!!Take a moment and think what G.B. just said,"the top one half of one percent"!!Pretty amazing.
As far as some getting there nose out of joint and leaving,thats life happens every day somewhere in someones life.As for disagreements,we are all adults and with the vast number of members from all over,and from different backgrounds there are bond  to be different veiwes,so be it.The moderators here do a good job and allow things to go only as far as they should.
Me,I think I'll be staying,as long as G.B. will allow.Great site,Great people,and free on top of that!!
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2007, 10:31:31 AM »
I think some people get big brown streaks on their undies and leave because they are looking for the attention they are not getting at home. Some people are just not happy unless there is a controversy going on, and of course, they want to be the center of the controversy. I say let them go - no questions asked.

Matt: I've never used any of the classifieds on this forum, although I just might one day. However, the classifieds are the least reason why I come here.

This is an excellent place to be without even considering the classifieds. If you and Graybeard were to completely eliminate the classified sections, I would still be the happiest camper in the campgrounds. This place is a gift given to us readers for fun and knowledge. I appreciate it for that reason alone.

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2007, 11:39:08 AM »
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If you and Graybeard were to completely eliminate the classified sections, I would still be the happiest camper in the campgrounds.

I have come dangerously close to doing exactly that a few times but each time have relented due to the many good members we have here who enjoy using them. They are the single biggest hassle for us on the entire site to be sure and bring in no specific revenue stream of their own altho when we have google ads on them we do make a little bit of money from that. Right now those ads are not there but will be replaced on them in the near future.


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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2007, 11:55:11 AM »
is it  common for a forum to charge its members? I belong to three or four others and only one of those I have chosen to help support by becoming a subscribing member. 
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2007, 12:09:12 PM »
I honestly don't know how common it is as I don't go to many other sites these days as I just don't have the time. There are a lot of such sites out there that charge for membership. Some charge just to participate period, others ask for donations and still others have various classes of membership with specific "perks" for each separate category. The more you pay the more perks you get. To be honest we know of at least one quite large site that charges over $200 per year and gives no more than we do here for free. Folks are paying it tho and that's the amazing thing. I'm aware of another started about the same time as this site that does or at least did require the membership to pay the full cost of the servers annually. I think when that happened approximately 50% of the membership quit and left the site.

I personally don't see it as a good thing to charge members to use the site. If we had some seriously worthwhile perks to offer for a fee and if you wanted those perks you could pay and if you didn't want those perks you could still use the site free then I'd be more inclined to undertake such a thing. But to charge for what is and has been free to you? Nope just can't see it.


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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2007, 12:52:58 PM »
[kid - What hurts me is how quick fellow gun folk are to just say "see ya and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out"   Why are we like this?  Shouldn't we be trying to figure out problems and stick together?
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Kid, going to what I perceive as the heart of your post, I wonder just what kind of immature person is so offended by differences of opinion they feel compelled to let the world know he is going to take his marbles and go home.  What has the board lost when he goes? 

I'm no head shrink and feel no need to comfort any hurt feelings.  I don't try to offend anyone but care little if someone takes something posted out of context and feels personally offended anyway.  So, the "don't let the door hit your fanny" comment seems rational with such mentalities, they need to go to talk with their mommies anyway.  This is a good board and if someone wants to leave .... bye.

GB once twisted my tail for something I wrote poorly but it didn't offend me, so I stand by my comments in a personal way. 
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Offline Siskiyou

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2007, 01:18:15 PM »
I have hung in because I like the site.  I skim across the topics looking for items interest.  If I see none I will return later and check.  I have only visited the classifieds a few times.

  I have never purchased anything from the classifieds or offered an item for sale.  I received a PM from a member with two or three post and asked that I give them an item I mentioned in a post.  I declined and I never seen a post under that name again.  In another case I had a member offer me a scope for sale in a PM.  I passed. The point is that I avoid the classifieds because of some of the grips I have read.  There are a few long standing members around that I might do business with, but unlikely.  I have noticed a pattern in regards to a few classifieds.  The posters count is very low, meaning it is a new guy or somebody using more then one alias. And some of them are offering the same item on e-bay or some other auction site.  Again it is Bill’s football, but if the classifieds are causing heartburn, and not generating income I would do them.  And this might be a good time because the non-paying membership realizes that there are issues that are generating change.

Like life some posters are abrasive.  If being nice does not work I ignore them.  Normally they go away.  Life has taught me that Honey is better the Vinegar, and the world is full of brain-damaged individuals.   The number of decent peoples out number them.  I support Graybeard in getting rid of problem makers.  I respect that this is Graybeard’s football field and his ball. 

I support Graybeard removing people from the site when he finds it necessary.  Remember it is his football.

I believe that the advertisers use Graybeard because of the number of people who visit it.  If a key was required to visit the site, the advertisers may go away because their audience would be limited.

Like life some posters are abrasive.  If being nice does not work I ignore them.  Normally they go away.  Life has taught me that Honey is better the Vinegar, and the world is full of brain-damaged individuals.   The number of decent people out number them.  I support Graybeard in getting rid of problem makers.  I respect that this is Graybeard’s football field and his ball. 

 If a key is required to visit the site, the advertisers may go away because their audience would be limited.  In turn Graybeard must manage the site so that a problem poster does not drive away advertisers and other members.  Meaning that action must be taken swiftly. 
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2007, 05:21:59 PM »
I appreciate that Bill and Matt do not charge us and get sponsers to pay the bills. I do not know how the system works as lots of sites do not charge and some do. GB or Matt can clarify this I suppose the larger the forum the more it cost and some forums with little bandwith just do not cost that much a year while I suppose this one does. While most forums that do charge they normally ask for a donation for those that can and the site is still open to who ever wants to use it. Myself if it ever got to the point every one charged I guess my internet would be limited to one or two forums as I on a fixed income could not afford to pay for every forum I go to. Now I pay 120 bucks a year for the privlidge of going online when ever I want. Yea its dialup and slow but I do not care as I still can do what I want to do online. If we had to pay more charges I may consider. I do not suscribe to cable TV the net is my entertainment as I feel cable is too expensive for what you get. If it ever got so every one charged for their sites I would have to reconsider my prioritys.
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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2007, 05:43:02 PM »
Not that it's necessarily anyone's business other than my own but line Line 28 on my Schedule C for the GBO site on last year's income tax form was $4055.43. For those not in business who do not fill out Schedule C that's total expenses. That was the cost of operation for us last year. Not one red cent of it was covered by members. If it weren't for Matt and me doing all the behind the scenes work to keep it up and if we had to pay someone to do that it wouldn't exist. We take in darn little above expenses really.


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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2007, 06:00:53 PM »
Bill,
     What does that figure out to be per hour? Much less than the kid down at the Mickey Dee's flippin' hamburgers, I'll bet.
This forum has become one of my only outside hobbies as I am working 70+ hours a week while trying to complete my masters degree.
It allows me to jump in and out without any expectations or commitments. There are a lot of good people here, and although we have never met, I believe I know some of them as friends. Kudos to You, Matt and the moderators for your hard work.
Don

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Re: Why are we so quick to let people go at forums?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2007, 06:19:37 PM »
That was out of pocket expenses I listed not income. If we sat down and figured out how much per hour we made for time spent it wouldn't come close to a buck an hour. You better betcha the kid flipping burgers makes more.


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