Author Topic: The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania 9 / 11 (Read 12139 times)

The Gamemaster · « **on:** April 16, 2007, 05:33:06 AM »

One of the local residents took pictures with their video camera of the plane going down in Pennsylvania and it had smoke coming out of it.

It was a relative of one of my friends and they said that the next day the US Air Force came to their house and confiscated their camera.

Just that they had already downloaded it to their home computer and furnished a copy to one of the local newspapers.

So it was their belief that it did not crash like the govt. told the people, it was shot down by the US Air Force to keep it from doing damage somewhere else.

I didn't know if any of you knew about it, but I myself saw the plane going down on my way to Greensburgh and just though that it was a normal plane on it's way to the smaller airport in Latrobe.

Ponydog · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2007, 06:44:46 AM »

So I guess now you need to call the TV station and have them send it to CNN to further investigate? Right ??

tomzuki · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2007, 06:50:04 AM »

Prove It !!!!!!!

jpsmith1 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:03:54 PM »

Like many, I remember that day very well. As soon as I heard that that plane went down, I said that they shot it down. I believed that the decision was made to sacrifice those lives to save thousands more. A hard, but necessary decision sometimes. This was just my opinion of the news.

As the new emerged about the passengers rising up, I believe that. It would be impossible to keep that a secret.

goodwrench6710 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2007, 01:42:42 PM »

There is more to it than what they are telling us.

nyhunter863 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:37:55 AM »

I must say that there is some real good discussion on 911 conspiracies on this site. I have really enjoyed reading the threads. My question is if the plane was indeed shot down, why would the government want to keep this from us? I don't think anyone could say that it wouldn't have been justifiable for them to do so in a situation like that. It really seems like this was swept under the rug by everyone, even the news media by not asking government officials some real questions here. It's just strange how there was hardly any film coverage of the planes recovery at all. With the current bridge collapse in Minnesota we are getting daily coverage of the recovery efforts aren't we? All I remember seeing on the news was a giant hole in the ground without much debris in it at all. Just too many strange and unexplainable occurances happened that day not to think that we are somehow not being told the whole story here. If it could somehow be proved that this plane was actually shot down but we just weren't being told about it, I think not much else the government told us should really be believed either!

Ponydog · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2007, 04:30:51 AM »

No passengers on the plane.......

.........................so the families that lost folks are just all keeping the secret..

No one has spilled a work...because the "victims" were all jetted off to Riolinda.....where they are in debriefing ..

? Or maybe the FAMILIES don't even know .........and their loved ones are at Gitmo.....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2007, 11:16:21 AM »

this is good , in a country where CIA agents get fingered , a solider can't haze a prisoner to get imfo without going to jail ,every time someone in govt. breaths its on CNN or FOX . how on earth could they get 2 people much less over 100 to keep their mouth shut ?
I'm a plumber not a airplane guru but if someone killed the engine (s) then the plane might fall from the sky , don't know but if air was rushing thru. that dead engine just maybe some smoke might come out ,
In this country today if someone had the guts to shoot one of our planes down to save more lives than were on the plane , he would have my respect ! and vote !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2007, 11:46:02 AM »

A plane traveling at 600 mph into the ground would probably leave no bodies. The news and pictures showed a big hole in the ground. Look at the video of the plane crashing into the World Trade Center, it just melted into the building. Total destruction. If the pilot was trying to save the plane, he would slow it down, and try to belly land on a road or something to save lives. This wasn't the case.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2007, 11:55:09 AM »

So.............there's a video of the plane going down, smoke trailing from it, its was down loaded to his computer, and the guy that has this video can't show it to anyone.........

Some secret mysterious Army guy "confiscated" the camera....and the newspaper won't wont talk about it either......

hmmmmmm

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** August 15, 2007, 12:04:07 PM »

I've personally visited the site of several plane crashes and seen photos and video of a LOT more. That one in PA didn't look like ANY plane crash site I've ever seen at least none of the images I've seen of it did. I dunno what to think regarding it but the one thing for sure I do think is we've been lied to about it. The precise what/how of it I have no clue about but I do not believe the "official version" of the story.

If it was shot down I think the government would NEVER in a million years admit it because of the lawsuits that would result which can be avoided by lying. But still I do not believe the "crash site" I've seen images of is the site of any jetliner impacting with the earth. What it is I dunno but I don't believe it's a passenger jet crash site.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:46:21 AM »

Graybeard , would it make a difference , with regard to lawsuits , being an act of war ?
I guess the difference between politically correct and politically honest is to great to measure !

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:14:58 AM »

I think if the government admitted it shot down and killed American citizens the lawsuits would flow freely and I have no doubt they'd everyone win. Right or wrong it's the way our society is today. At least that's my view of it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:12:00 AM »

Its a shame you are correct !

Cabin4 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2007, 12:26:50 PM »

The airlines are covered on this. What did they do wrong that would warrant them being sued?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2007, 12:29:52 PM »

I think if the government admitted they shot down this plane, they would be lying. Just think about how wide & deep the conspiracy it would take on this for it not to come out by now, if they did shoot it down.

gypsyman · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2007, 04:04:15 AM »

Sorry to rain on the parade. Just watched a documentary on that crash. Yes they did find body parts. And they did send up 2 fighter jets from Selfridge Air Force base just north of Detroit. No they were not armed, as planes setting on the base are not armed, and the 2 pilots were instructed to possibly crash into the airliner if need be.(possibly to eject in time??)
If you've ever shot into dirt or sand, you'll see how the bullet actually creates a crater. They actually had to dig over 40' deep to get parts of the plane out. GB, the reason this didn't look like most airplane crash's, is that most plane's going in and crash, are on an angle, and when the plane hits, parts skip and scatter. This hit at almost a 90 degree verticle, so it went straight in.
A friend of mine who is an air traffic controller, was working that day, and the 2 fighter jets were just over Cleveland, when the plane crashed. Too far away to have possibly have done anything to cause the crash. Sorry to pop the balloon guys. gypsyman

Cabin4 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2007, 08:19:08 AM »

and the Bush administration actually blew up the Twin Towers not terrorists..... and the Bush administration blew up the Levey's in New Orleans during Katrina.....and it was missile that hit the Pentagon on 9/11 not an airliner....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2007, 08:52:58 AM »

Why were the planes unarmed ? the ones out of the naval air station in Va. beach are armed ! they have 2 sitting on the runway 24-7 ready to go ! check them out next time you are in the area ! I do it gives me a warm feeling !
And how can a president that so many claim can't run the country be smart enough to pull off 9/11 ?
This whole thing seems beyond belief no matter who you listen to ! has truth been with held , most likely ! has truth been stretched most likely by both sides ! will we know ? not likely !

gypsyman · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2007, 10:31:01 AM »

Shootall, I can't seem to remember if I was told this buy a reputable source, or just heard it somewhere. When the plane's from the fighter squadrons here in the midwest do maneuvers, they don't want any accidental discharges of any kind. You have to remember that here in the Ohio-Michigan-Indiana-Pa area, there isn't alot of open ground area where if something goes off, much more likely to hit a populated area. Not like the Atlantic ocean, or the deserts in Nevada. gypsyman

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2007, 10:51:30 AM »

i guess the mid west must rely heavily on us to protect them !
i live near fort picket and in a heavily populated area , we get aircraft weekly in the training months that have ordinance from one end to the other ! often we hear it impact the target zone !
By the way the base in Va. beach is surrounded by the city of Va. beach can't remember one being dropped yet !
Why would a base that was called to protect Washington not have planes armed and ready ? These things are planned out years in advance ! not saying you are wrong just sounds odd to me , one would think that a pilot that cost over a million to train would , well just not have an accidental discharge !

gypsyman · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2007, 11:36:26 AM »

Shootall, I may very well be wrong. It's been too many years, and way to many beers, for my memory to be that good. And yes, we do depend on the coasts to be our defenders. I'm not saying that an invasion couldn't come down from Canada, but in all honesty, empty Candian Club bottle's and frozen walleye don't require fighter jets with air to surface missile's-gypsyman(oh yeah-forgot the hockey sticks)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2007, 01:25:45 AM »

At best all we can hope to do is make it difficult to conspire in future events ! we may never know what happened 9-11 we only saw the result !

Ponydog · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2007, 04:08:20 AM »

Watergate, Iran Contra, etc, etc....do you really think it's possible, our feeble minded government, can actually keep a secret that huge......killing it's own......on a scale and stage that large?? I find it hard to understand that possible.

Graybeard · « **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2007, 04:54:37 AM »

I watched a two hour special last night that I had recorded the previous night that was about the 9-11 conspricy theories. It was a pretty well done show giving both sides of the issues more or less. It clearly was aimed at debunking those who do not believe the official version however.

As to the Trade Center questions I tended to come away from the show feeling the official view was more accurate than I have ever believed in the past. It had some really excellent video footage of the collapses of all the buildings that really make it hard to believe it was other than as stated. These were the best and most clear video footages of it I've seen to date. Were they faked? Dunno to be honest as hollyweird has gotten good enough at that it is about impossible to say really but I tend to think no it was the real thing. In one it was very obvious the collapse began at the area the plane crashed and the weight of all above just continued downward crushing all below it in turn. I must admit I can no longer believe that one fell for any other reason that the official version. The other I dunno but again it looked like it came down on it's own for what reasons I care not to speculate. The #7 building definitely looked to be a planned fall from the way it came down but then fire had raged out of control in it for over 8 hours and they say it was fed by diesel fuel in huge tanks spread around in the building used to fuel generators that were housed there. Supposedly it was also damaged by the crash of the others and the video did appear to support that. I'm still not confident of the Building 7 story but the other two I can accept the official version a lot better after that show.

Now onto the PA crash and the Pentagon crash. After seeing the show I am even more convinced they are just plain lying to us about the Pentagon. The EXPERT explainations were so obviously lies it was a total joke in my estimation. I dunno what hit the Pentagon but it was NOT what they say it was.

The PA crash too left a lot more doubts in my mind than solutions. Some here have commented it went in straight down and to be honest the video footage of the site immediately afterward do make it look like that is possible. BUT the graphic demonstrations they used to show how it happened showed the plane going in at a rather flatter angle that in my opinion would not have created the crater they show. So I'm no more convinced on this one than before the show. I'm just having an extremely difficult time swallowing the official line on lack of debris.

I won't speculate on what really happened in either site but still don't believe we've heard ALL the truth yet.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 23, 2007, 07:30:51 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on August 23, 2007, 04:54:37 AM

Now onto the PA crash and the Pentagon crash. After seeing the show I am even more convinced they are just plain lying to us about the Pentagon. The EXPERT explanations were so obviously lies it was a total joke in my estimation. I dunno what hit the Pentagon but it was NOT what they say it was.

GB... come on. I saw that special as well. There are 757 airliner parts scattered on the front lawn of the pentagon! They have independent experts, who say it was the 757 airliner! Structural engineers who examined the site first hand. There are eye-witness accounts that will testify they saw the plane slam into the pentagon! There is footage from a security camara, although not very good when the plane is travelling at 500+ mph..

If all of this is a cover up an it really was a missle, were did the missle come from? Who the heck fired a missle capable of doing this type of damage? Where are the missle parts and how do you reconcile in your mind the fact that there are 757 plane parts there?
What happened to the people who were on that plane? Are they all in some witness like protection program or something?
What about the cell phone calls that people on that plane made to family telling them what was going on in that plane? Are they in on this conspiricy? So willing to be in on the conspiricy that after 6 years they all decided to leave there loved ones?

?? I suppose this conspiicy is so deep, the plane was only full of people who all wanted a divorse or something?

With all the facts to support it was that specific 757 airliner, all we have are people who offer alternative views based in factless information. They say offer the resounding facts of "Because" as the basis for the government lieing and all these people along with it.

In order to have aconsiricy on this, it would have to be SO wide an deep, that normal every day citizens would have to been in on it with.

There are 2 other airliners that we have on tape slamming inot the twin towers...... no person in theri right mind cane dispte that. So what do the conspirisy mongors do her... they yes, they are airliners. But they were flown into the Twin towers onthe orders of George Bush....

Sorry folks.... this one is so, so far out there.

Lets here some facts? Back up these theories with some basic facts. Until then its all 100% pure unadulterated hog wash.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 23, 2007, 12:28:05 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 23, 2007, 10:34:23 AM

Quote from: Dixie Dude on August 15, 2007, 11:46:02 AM
A plane traveling at 600 mph into the ground would probably leave no bodies. The news and pictures showed a big hole in the ground. Look at the video of the plane crashing into the World Trade Center, it just melted into the building. Total destruction. If the pilot was trying to save the plane, he would slow it down, and try to belly land on a road or something to save lives. This wasn't the case.

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but its likely those bldgs had assistance to come apart and down like they did.

...TM7

WOW!!!! So lets see 20 to 100 people conspiricy to take out the twin towers on 9-11. So answer me this.... how many more for the pentagon? How many more for plane that crash in PA? Assuming the same math, that would be 60 - 300 people in your little conspiricy! So how many did it take to link all these events together ? How do you come up with the conspiricy mathmatics? I never learned that in school or college. Please, what text book gives you mathamatical formula on "People per Conspiricy"? Not to mention, your claims that what we see on footage of planes crashing into the twin towers, pulversing the craft is not what was really on those video tapes!!! the live footage that I personally witnessed while watchinmg my TV was some holagram hitting the building while a bomb really exploded inside the building planted by George Bush so he can start a war! WOW, and you actually beleive this on the basis of what facts?

So while your thinking of answers to those questions, you have to include that the prior terrorist attacks on the towers were also done by George Bush while he was Gov of Texas.. and he did this for what reason then

?... lets see, so he can start a war he had no constitutional authority to start and carry out!! Or was it then Prez Clinton who also wanted a war but for some reason just never got around to it??? and the conspirisy just was handed over to Bush by Clinton to continue it as normal , you know when the White Transition teams get togehter at lunch time!!

answer please.

I have to laugh at this now...

This is far beyound any norms I'm familiar with.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2007, 02:23:10 AM »

just maybe they got one of those middle east guys to set it up , you know the type , the ones who talk other guys into killing themselves for the cause ! I should be easy to talk several 100 into being quiet !

Ponydog · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2007, 06:42:39 AM »

I admit...I have seen alot of footage as well on the Pentagon "clean up"...and the Pennsylvania crash....but they have the cameras showing who got on those planes.......they have to have ID.....ticket with their name on it.....seating assignments, flight seating logs...etc, etc....so yeah , it would be hard to "create Lives" for ALL those who were "in on it"....now I do think that the Pentagon...should be one of the most secure bldgs in Washington....I have been there...it is like Fort Knox.....cameras should ideally , be everywhere......there should be 12 different camera angles on what ever it was, that hit the Pentagon.....hell , Monday night Football has more resources than the Pentagon

Cabin4 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:21:31 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 24, 2007, 11:51:40 AM

Those videos of people getting on planes doesn't mean diddly...... The videos of planes melting into the heavy steel buildings are funny looking.

As for 20 to 100 people cooking this up if properly compartmentalized...easily.
3-6 guys to arrange the military exercises the same day representing the exact same kind of attack. 5-15 politiciians to supply the right political education to the masses.
10 foreign technicians working for a few years to 'fix' problems in the towers caused by the last bombs.
And Clandestine money is untrackable...remember the $2.3 Trillion dollar pentacon boondoggle that Rummie was about to get raked over the coals on 9/10,,,?,,,,I guess we'll just forget about that little bunch of change,,,what is that?...
about $20,000 for each family in America!
Just takes proper compartmentalization and only a few will get the big picture and they're the psychopathic pros.
...TM7

Theres only a critical questions you forgot to answer... What about all the surviour family memebers that went to memorial services all over this country? Are you telling us that those missing people who perished on those planes relly did not exsisit? If yes, then all those thousands of family memebers are in on your conspirisy. Because those people who were now not really on those planes(per your conspiracy theory) have all agreed to vanish to some were and leave there families and lives behind.

Oh yes, and one more point, you forgot about that little detail on this massive conspirisy that includes lilerally thousands of people, were are the facts? any,,, how about 1,, just 2. Of the thousands of people in on this, has one turned over yet??