The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania 9 / 11

[Cabin4]

Frankly, I don't think I've heard nearly a peep out of families from those said to perish on the airliners, save for the Beamer family for a short while.  But instead have heard numerous request from the WTC families....esp a group of 300 that are demanding a full scale investigation of the events.  There is a petition served on the gov and courts to do this which is being ignored.

...TM7

Well, that kinda put a big hole in the conspiracy theory!!!!!! If 300 families are demanding an investigation, I think that means 300 families have people that really died in those planes........ Guess they really arent just old video of people get on those planes after all!!

All the stuff about remote controlled airliners hitting the twin towers and missiles hitting the Pentagon just got kinda got squashed!!

Oh, can predict the next post on this ,,,,suppose these 300 families are also, part of the conspirisy!

[Graybeard]

You seem to read either selectively or poorly. The 300 families are those who died in the WTC not on the planes.

[Cabin4]

You seem to read either selectively or poorly. The 300 families are those who died in the WTC not on the planes.

You got me on that. I missed the WTC. It does not not however, answer how/why all these families that show up to memorial services for people that died on the planes. My point is still the same and none of you have an answer. Your little web of so called tight knit consprisy has spun out of control.

You still have literally thousands of problems to explain with this whole conspiracy. How about some answers? That's the problem on this one. All conspiracy and no facts, no answers just a growing web of vast imaginations at work.

You have to admit to yourselves, you have some serious problems with this one. I get the JFK assassination conspiracy, but this one, wholly U know what!!

So while I missed 3 letters in an internet post (WTC) and have admitted to missing that! you guys should start answering for all your misses! Like facts & answers that make sence. Instead all we hear is a repeat of factless theories, speculation and more conspiricy theories to hide gapping wholes in your explanations.

[Cabin4]

cabin4...I honestly don't know of any memorials  for the plane victims outside of the Beamers and the memorial built in a field in PA. And as for the so-called plane victims haven't heard a peep out of their relatives...at least I haven't.  This is very very different from the WTC families who are quite vocal.

Meanwhile, if you ask some specific questions maybe they can be answered.
Please be aware that the government's official version is also a grand story of conspiracy, too.
Now, let me ask one question....can you tell me of, or link me to one tall steel constructed building that has collapsed, dustified, and been obliterated by fires? Cause I'd really like to study that. thanx.

....TM7

1. Yes I am aware of memorial services for more than just the Beamers! I lived in PA not all that far from the crash site when it happened and until May 2005. I am also aware of numerious memorial services for the other plane crashes. If you read the newspapers or watch the news occasionally of the past 6 years, how could you miss it!

2.Of course the WTC families want explantions..... they had loved one that died. That does not mean its a US Gov. conspiracy or that anyone (including the Gov.) has all the answers. Only the terrorist have the answers because they did it. Get over it. Holy mackeral, we have Osama himself on video tape admitting to it !!!

3.When was the last time a building like that was hit by two airliners full of aviation fuel? So the fact that this is the first time does not mean it consitutes some conspirisy theory? It simply means its the 1st time, that all!!

4. Your quote "Please be aware that the government's official version is also a grand story of conspiracy, too"   What do you mean by this?? Just because you can type the word conspirtisy does not make it one. Give us some facts or circumstances that truley are unexplainable and that can only be explained via "conspirisy. Please, just one.

You folks are just ignoring the real facts so you can perpeuate this rediculous myth. And in return, it minimizes the deaths of the innocent poeple on the planes that WERE killed and the entire reason we have young men & women dieing in Iraq & Afganistan. They are just the collateral damage of your so called conspirisy.

I will be the first to admit we have a mess on our hands. But nothing, nothing tells be conspirisy. I won't blame our Gov. for the wreckage of the WTC , Pentagon and the lives that were lost on 9-11 just because a few people here can't read the newspaper, watch the news or deduct with a reasonable set of facts what happened and then completly ignore what in fact are the facts. Because thats what you do... you ignore facts to support this conspirisy theory. Think about that... You ignore FACTS to support a conspirisy THEORY!!!

Talk about selective reading and or reading poorly.... ahhhhh wake up folks...

[Graybeard]

If we knew all the answers and had all the facts we'd present them. But then we kinda think so would the government if it had them. Saying you read it in the papers is no better than what you are saying we are doing. WHERE< WHEN? Tell us where to see it.

The governmet story says it was a conspricy of a bunch of mulims men who did all this. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but that's a conspricy theory the govenment is putting out as well. Or do you think because the government said it that isn't not a conspricy when they say it is?

Are you not aware the memorial is not to the supposed dead but rather to lslam? If it's not they why is it the symbol of the muslim cult that it is made to resemble?

No building I'm aware of was hit by TWO planes but rather two building were each hit by ONE plane. By the way those buildings were specifically designed to survive being hit by ONE PLANE.

Show these FACTs you claim we're ignoring, where are they? I'm waiting to see them.

The hole in the ground in PA is a real mystery to me. Unlike the hole in the pentago it looks precisely like you'd expect to be made by a plane silhouette passing thru a piece of paper front on. Would a plane REALLY make a hole like that when it crashed? I dunno but have never seen one do so before. Some here have said it went in nose first at basically a straight down path. Quite honestly I'm not sure that's even possible to pull off. The shows I've seen instead all portray it going into the ground at a fairly steep but none the less angled postion with tail only a bit higher than nose on impact. If it hit in that manner there is absolutely NO CHANCE the crater would look like it did in the videos immediately afterward.

I have no answers only questions that's why I'm not accepting the official story. It just does not jibe with the images they are showing us. You and I both know beyond any shadow of a doubt there were adequate cameras rolling when the pane supposedly hit the pentagon that if they wanted to show us what really happened they could in slow motion frame by frame. But they do not and will not. WHY? I dunno but until I see it I'm not gonna believe a passenger plane caused the hole I saw.

The BS put out on that documentary I watched of it recently only gave more reasons to doubt not satisfy any questions I have.

I think it boils down to there being two kinda people in the world. Those who believe every story authorities tell them and those who don't. I'm the latter and you're the former. IT's really that simple.

[Cabin4]

GB,

I'm not going to provide any more facts here nor am I going to recreate 6 years of information in this response. When I do provide facts here, you all ignore them anyway. Why don't you all take a dose of your own medicine, and get some facts. Answers like, "it really was not an airliner"... is not a fact. Its your opinion, based on a desire for this to be a conspiricy. The experts tell us otherwise, that is a fact. Family memebers are missing loved ones that boarded the planes, thats a fact and those planes never made it to their destination, thats a fact, and those poeple (Hundreds) have never appeared any place else in 6 years, thats a fact! We have live footage of planes hitting buildings, thats a fact and those planes are an incredible resemblance to the missing aircraft, thats a fact! For you guys to say all of that is not true, based on nothing to support it other than distrust of the Gov, does not make it a fact.

And NO, I don't believe EVERYTHING the authorities tell us as you put it on this or anything else. I'm capable of looking at facts and deducting a reasonable conclusion based on the facts that exsist and those that don't. Are all questions related to 9-11 answered NO, that does not make it a conspricsy nor does it mean the US Gov. perpitrated 9-11 !! We are at war with these idiots and terrible things have happened. Just because the US Gov can't tell you with precision, why & how the terroists do what they do, does not make this a conspiracy. If this is the threashold for a conspiricy perpetrated by the US Gov, then every war we have ever had was a conspricys by the US Gov. Whats makes you think the US Gov has or should have all the answers??? If they did, you folks would say, SEE, they have all the answers, they could only know all the answers if they did it..... Thats exactly what you folks would do, admit it. Your hell-bent on this being a conspirisy and thats all there is to it.

When people ignore the FACT: that we have Osama Bin Laden himself on tape admitting to master minding it, you say its the US Gov.....

I know who has been attacking us here in the US on 9-11, before 9-11 and abroad and planning attacks that have been foiled, its the terrorists not the US Gov. To beleive otherwise with a complete lack of any supporting facts put basic human logic on its head.

I'm done with this thread. You all can just go on beleiving, that 9-11 is a hoax and conspirisy of a magnitude far beyound anything that has every been conspired by mand kind if you want. Thats your right to do so. It just seems to shed a light on extreme views that some people have, whcich is extremlly alarming to me, at best.

[Cabin4]

I'm not going to provide any more facts here nor am I going to recreate 6 years of information in this response. When I do provide facts here, you all ignore them anyway. Why don't you all take a dose of your own medicine, and get some facts. Answers like, "it really was not an airliner"... is not a fact. Its your opinion, based on a desire for this to be a conspiricy. The experts tell us otherwise, that is a fact. Family memebers are missing loved ones that boarded the planes, thats a fact and those planes never made it to their destination, thats a fact, and those poeple (Hundreds) have never appeared any place else in 6 years, thats a fact! We have live footage of planes hitting buildings, thats a fact and those planes are an incredible resemblance to the missing aircraft, thats a fact! For you guys to say all of that is not true, based on nothing to support it other than distrust of the Gov, does not make it a fact.

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The above is not facts...it is your opinion based on what you think you heard and saw and read as supplied by mass media.
I have never seen a bona fide tape of Beans Laden admitting anything...please supply the link.

 Below is a link containing commentary from noted scientist, architects, military personnel, pilots....who all are far more knowledgeable than you or me....and who have alot of questions about the official story.

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

so happy hunting......TM7

Heres your link on Bin Laden admitting to the 9-11 attacks.
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/investigation/011213.binladen.tape.html

Yes, the experts you mention have "questions". I have questions about 9-11. Thats does not make it a conspirisy that the US Gov did it!!

Tell us were all the people are that were according to you, not killed in the airliners?

Tell us what we saw fly into the WTC on video tape?

Tell us how the WTC came down if it was not due to the planes flying into it and the subsequent burning of thousands of pounds of jet fuel?

Tell us were the missle was launched from that was according to you driven into the Pentagon?

Tell us what made the crator and what the eye-witnesses saw fly into the ground in PA?

[SHOOTALL]

The one point that seems to be avoided is this , all news organizations , not just ours but world wide ! you and i know they would sell their soul to break a conspiracy story about 9-11 , how could a leak not be avoided ? does anyone think it would be possible to check satellite records from other countries , even if our own were not shown ? i for one can't believe this information wouldn't get out , it would be the story of the decade , the author would be rich as would the org. !
WE MUST QUESTION AUTHORITY ! but we must be realistic at the same time !

[Cabin4]

Don't worry that the tape is off the NPR site. It was just the first site that came up on Google. It was all over the press and mediums when it was released. Thats whats scars me about some of you folk..... Some of the points being made here are plastered in mass amounts of public information. I think many of you are just not listening or reading. And while we can't always beleive everything we read or hear, you can read it and listen and deduct if it makes sense. If you hide in the closet, and only come out once in a while, things may seem like a conspirsy.

I have never been to a plane crash site personally but have seen many on TV. Like the one on Halloween night about 1 years ago. On approach to Chicago the plane went down, there was nothing left of it. You could not tell it was a plane crash. There was nothing left of it. Completly obliterated. There was a 737 that went down about 12 years ago out west, nothing left of it except a crator.

[Ponydog]

Well I guess if you read enough , you'll finally see everything......so I am to understand AND believe, that MAINSTREAM media....Liberal Mainstream Media....is HELPING George W Bush and all his cohorts...hide the real story from us ?  Is that right    Good Lord...the media blames rain on George Bush, wind , hail , they blame George Bush if someones CRUST isn't cut off the edge of their sandwich ....and NOW , you are telling me they are all working together.....hmmmmmm   covering for Wub Ya.............my my ....they are a fickle bunch aren't they ...
As far as getting testimony from ALL the folks on the scene??  Well, I can tell you , and so can any uniformed Police officer...you cant get two people to agree on how a traffic accident happened, more less , something like this.  Face it, we may never know it all, but to think that someone , an entity , like our hapless government, could pull this off, and be secretive....HA.....you GOTTA be kidding me ...it's like the idiot from Louisiana that "hid" the 90,000 in his freezer, or refrigerator....lol..I forget which ....and says he has no idea how it got there.....the illusion that politicians and high elected officials are smarter than everyone else......is just ludicrous.  They are some of THE dumbest folks on Earth .....watch two hours of C Span, around 1 am ...and watch these corn-balls talk to no one, about nothing, that would not help anybody.....THAT , is what our Government has become...a joke. talking to an empty House, about things that benefit THEM...NOT US....and they are doing it, on OUR  DIME.........sad thing is , we LET them ....I try and vote down stupidity wherever I see it......problem is , I can only vote in Missouri ..one time......and when more than one stupid person runs....I don't have enough votes to cancel them out.....NOW , if I lived in CHICAGO....I could vote as many times as I needed to .....but , I kinda got off track here.....

[Ponydog]

Well perhaps you are right in some cases where mainstream media perhaps likes the direction because their diversity creates bennies.....but I still see a media blinded by hate for George Bush, and everything he does or represents......kinds hard to have it both ways.....but...possible I guess. ....what in my mind will be interesting to see...will be what the media says about a Democratic President, who does not solve issues any better than the Bush Administration has.......THAT is where the spin kicks in......that is where we see an overwhelming tolerance for the office....with no lashing editorials, no one calling for the Presidents head from the Senate floor, like we have now.    Nancy Pelosi...ALL mouth , no action....has not been touched by media, editorial , etc etc, for her complete LACK of transparency, that she PROMISED would take place....she gets more mulligans than Spiro Agnew......look into the contracts and issues regarding hiring of illegals by the empires owned by the Pelosis and the Feinsteins of the world....does not take long for the old phrase....."do as I say ..not as I do " to pop into your head.......let's face it, The Harry Reids and Nancy Pelosi's of the world, are just as corrupt and covert as anyone else in Washington.......they just get the old pass from liberal media...who don't want to eat their own young.....wanna save a couple of million a year in taxpayer money .......don't let these "elected" officials....hire their wives and kids for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to be "advisors" and "consultants" to their campaign.......that is OUR  money ....being pulled out of one pocket, and going back into the other....Dems and Reppubs alike all do it....matter of fact, there is a list somewhere available...check it out for yourselves....

[Skeptic10787]

Bigfoot can clearly been seen in one of the pentagon photos. Coincidence? I think not.

[SHOOTALL]

the truck ?
Maybe I'm all wet but I figure what ever happens the main stream news people will take up the negative side , the side of the take from the workers and give to the lazy on any topic that will hurt the USA that we love !

[SHOOTALL]

What is meant by going easy ? I have this odd idea the news should report what happened and let us decide how we should feel or react ! going easy , hum ! do you mean they could have added more SPIN ?

[Skeptic10787]

I'd have to agree... the news SHOULD report the basic truth, and let the public make an opinion. Our media is well-known around the world as practicing some of the most dishonest and one sided reporting of any modern nation. To say that they've "gone lightly" on someone is a perfect example of the flawed system (which, by the way, I disagree that they have). They should be reporting the HONEST UNBIASED TRUTH... not rumors, not illegally obtained information, not anonymous information, not propaganda... not the tabloid CRAP we see on a daily basis. TM7, my view is just the opposite as yours, in that I think they need to step back to square one and quit CREATING stories with only circumstantial evidence, or even no evidence whatsoever. Our country doesn't need a biased media to see that Bush is a liar. Most of the country already knew that before the media decided it was a good story to roll with. Because of our dishonest mainstream media, I'm for more likely to dismiss something that just may be true, than I am to believe something that is probably false. Just like lawyers, the good journalists are few and far between. Both hold a special place in hell.
Golly gee... seems I rambled on again. Oh well. I guess its a good thing we can still use our 1st amendment rights for something other than slander.

[SHOOTALL]

TM7 a better ? who does the media own ? it has become very big business ! what is the $$$$ ties between the news and investment banking ? is there one ?
It is said follow the money to find who runs things ! so who profited from the crash ?

[SHOOTALL]

Not really , i don't know the truth ! doubt we will ever know ! I would love to see some one find the truth ! but to be honest , there has already been so much BS and lies i doubt i would recognize it if it hit me in the face ! The questions i asked would have to be answered to prove any theory ! That does not mean i believe the other side !

[Skeptic10787]

YET,,,yet, skeptic and shootall....you are more than willing to accept the media's version of the government's 911 story lock, stock, and barrel; and any alternative probing or fact gathering analysis of science and events is to be disregarded. So, where is your own 'fair and balanced' compass?  Lately, I have been studying the media reports from 911, citing explosions, views of aircraft other than airliners, cutter charges, dustification, interviews with reponders, etc. and all giving very different reports from the distillation we finally got from the media....these type of reports were from reporters on the scene,...they were heard once or twice than scraped and edited by higher ups.
I'm afraid mainstream media are just clandestinely megaphones for somebody's agenda; and are expert at squeezing general public opinion in directions so desired by a few ambitious devils.

....TM7

Never said I believed the government's version of events. Quite frankly, I don't. But that doesn't mean I have to believe any of the tinfoil garbage I get from the media or blog sites like this either. Why should I believe any of the versions? The media "reported" numerous different occurences on 9/11, each one fitting someones own theory. Evidence this, expert testimony that. Explosions here, holographic airplanes there. I don't believe any of it. Its far more entertaining to sit back and watch, without taking a side, and let everyone duke it out and make idiots out of themselves... in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, someone will say something that actually makes sense... and I'll hear it loud and clear it because I don't have my mind set on defending one particular theory. The only thing I'm sure of right now is that NOBODY is making any sense of what happened. Everybody has a motive to lie, even if it's just for pride.
Very good point shootall. We have to remember that the media is a business too. Scandal is profit.

[Graybeard]

Kinda where I'm sitting Skeptic. I sure dunno what did happen but I sure don't believe we've been told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth YET!. I'm not holding my breath waiting on it to come forth either.

[Cabin4]

Commander Kolsted, one of the Navy's original topguns and a retired airliner pilot doubts the pentacon airliner hit was even possible:


fwi....TM7

Of the billions of people on this planet, I think its extremely likely you can find at least one person who could cast skepticiam on just about anything....even in the cases where the over evedance is so over whelming. There are many that beleive OJ did not kill Rod Goldman & Brown. Anyone with an objective mind know OJ killed those 2 people. There are people that beleive the Peal Harbor attack was actually done by the US Gov. There are people that don't beleive Jews were kept and killed in gas chambers in Nazi Germany. There are people that believe all kinds of redicuolus stuff, however, they failed to bring real facts. The lack of facts in the face of questions simply does not therefor require the human mind tonow ignore those fatcs that are irrifutable. Why some people do this, is a sign of extreme bias or just ignorance of understanding the facts.

[jk3006]

No one has a 100% monopoly on truth, but I think it's silly to say that we could never understand what's really going on.  We may not understand all of it, but we certainly can line up enough pieces of evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt (not absolute proof) that certain things absolutely did or didn't happen in regards to 9/11.  I agree that certain aspects of that event are still vague, but definitely not all of it.  The government is complicit, no doubt about that.     

[Cabin4]

No one has a 100% monopoly on truth, but I think it's silly to say that we could never understand what's really going on.  We may not understand all of it, but we certainly can line up enough pieces of evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt (not absolute proof) that certain things absolutely did or didn't happen in regards to 9/11.  I agree that certain aspects of that event are still vague, but definitely not all of it.  The government is complicit, no doubt about that.     

If I had film footage of a person being shot by another person and, we have the dead persons body, the gun, ballistics tests to proof it was that gun and we had the person who shot the gun clearly on this footage,,,, does that mean I have a monopoly on the truth? Or does it just mean I know the truth?

[oo_buck]

Why were the planes unarmed ? the ones out of the naval air station in Va. beach are armed ! they have 2 sitting on the runway 24-7 ready to go ! check them out next time you are in the area ! I do it gives me a warm feeling !
And how can a president that so many claim can't run the country be smart enough to pull off 9/11 ?
This whole thing seems beyond belief no matter who you listen to ! has truth been with held , most likely ! has truth been stretched most likely by both sides ! will we know ? not likely !

Maybe Barney Fife was the pilot.......

I can't imagine not trusting the people protecting us with armed planes.....

I'd say they were armed, wouldn't make sense any other way.

[Cabin4]

Legally it would mean by a preponderance of the evidence we have concluded the Truth to be such and such and not something else. That is if the evidence passed the acid test of being real and not tampered with.

..TM7

Wrong, Legally it would mean "Guilty, beyond a Shadow of a Dought". "Preponderance of evidence" is a term that describes many, many pieces circumstantial evidence that when put together any reasonable person can conclude a guilty or not.

[Cabin4]

Legally it would mean by a preponderance of the evidence we have concluded the Truth to be such and such and not something else. That is if the evidence passed the acid test of being real and not tampered with.

..TM7

Wrong, Legally it would mean "Guilty, beyond a Shadow of a Dought". "Preponderance of evidence" is a term that describes many, many pieces circumstantial evidence that when put together any reasonable person can conclude a guilty or not.

 But you bring up a good point,, a preponderance of the evidence would never allow a jury to support the governemnt's 19 arab conspiracy theory.

...TM7

I definatly don't agree with that.

[Ponydog]

So you all really think.....that someone , or group of someones in Washington DC..is/are smart enough , to take down the twin towers.....by all the on site explosives I hear the conspiracy folks say took it down from the inside...not from the plane per tower.........keep it a secret......talk all the families and victims into suicide for the good of the country ( or the Administration)...ask them to say nothing.....make sure all the cameras are on at just the right time, to see all the "terrorists board the planes".blow up the Pentagon...no matter of how much security, cameras, and secrecy dwell there....just say ...hey ..."we're gonna blow some of it up....we need a few volunteers to die too by the way ...and OH YES....kinda keep it under your hat there pardner"............talked Osama and all his buddies into owning up to the deed...and launching a muti billion dollar war , all of this coordinated, by a VP who shoots his buddy on a hunting trip and a President that the Democrats say , can't find his ass with both hands ?....
THIS is what you base your theory of lies and administrative deciept on

[Cabin4]

So you all really think.....that someone , or group of someones in Washington DC..is/are smart enough , to take down the twin towers.....by all the on site explosives I hear the conspiracy folks say took it down from the inside...not from the plane per tower.........keep it a secret......talk all the families and victims into suicide for the good of the country ( or the Administration)...ask them to say nothing.....make sure all the cameras are on at just the right time, to see all the "terrorists board the planes".blow up the Pentagon...no matter of how much security, cameras, and secrecy dwell there....just say ...hey ..."we're gonna blow some of it up....we need a few volunteers to die too by the way ...and OH YES....kinda keep it under your hat there pardner"............talked Osama and all his buddies into owning up to the deed...and launching a muti billion dollar war , all of this coordinated, by a VP who shoots his buddy on a hunting trip and a President that the Democrats say , can't find his ass with both hands ?....
THIS is what you base your theory of lies and administrative deciept on

Yes, that is the foundation of their conspiracy. Very believable, right.... And, their logic is because the Gov has not answered all the questions of what happened.....kookoooo   .... koookoooooo

[jk3006]

If I had film footage of a person being shot by another person and, we have the dead persons body, the gun, ballistics tests to proof it was that gun and we had the person who shot the gun clearly on this footage,,,, does that mean I have a monopoly on the truth? Or does it just mean I know the truth?
[/quote]

I meant no one has a 100% monopoly on all truth. 

[jk3006]

So you all really think.....that someone , or group of someones in Washington DC..is/are smart enough , to take down the twin towers.....by all the on site explosives I hear the conspiracy folks say took it down from the inside...not from the plane per tower.........keep it a secret......talk all the families and victims into suicide for the good of the country ( or the Administration)...ask them to say nothing.....make sure all the cameras are on at just the right time, to see all the "terrorists board the planes".blow up the Pentagon...no matter of how much security, cameras, and secrecy dwell there....just say ...hey ..."we're gonna blow some of it up....we need a few volunteers to die too by the way ...and OH YES....kinda keep it under your hat there pardner"............talked Osama and all his buddies into owning up to the deed...and launching a muti billion dollar war , all of this coordinated, by a VP who shoots his buddy on a hunting trip and a President that the Democrats say , can't find his ass with both hands ?....
THIS is what you base your theory of lies and administrative deciept on

Wow, you sure make a lot of assumptions.  Who said the victims knew what was coming?  It's easy to take buildings down by explosives.  The experts do it all the time.  Look at the evidence.  What cameras were on at just the right time?  Speaking of cameras, the pentagon is covered with them.  The camera across the pentagon in the hotel was confiscated moments after the incident, as was the camera in the gas station.  With all those cameras available, the government releases one lousy video clip which contained five frames (or something like that) of footage (and there appeared to be a frame  or two taken out.  In other words a doctored clip) which, if anything, appeared to show a vague outline of a much smaller airplane than a 757.  Of course there's also the conversation Chaney had with one of his lackeys where the lackey informs him that the plane is "x" amount of distance out and "should they do anything about it".  Cheney said "no".  That interchange between the two happened two or three times, if I recall correctly. 

Osama is/was a CIA asset.  His family use to vacation with the Bushes.  He's just one of their chronies/boogie men.  If I'm not mistaken, I don't think Osama even referred to Al Qaeda as Al Qaeda until after 9/11 when our government kept blaming the attacks on him.    Furthermore, our government was so quick to put the blame on them, but to my knowledge to this day have yet to prove that they indeed did it. 

It's a mistake to assume that it's only or even mainly the president/vice president behind this.  The real powers stand behind/over them.
The government is capable of a lot of things without letting the cat out of the bag too much, but they sure know how to pretend they're incompetent when it benefits their cause.  Don't forget that Cheney was probably flat out drunk when he shot that guy at really close range (much closer than was let on), and don't forget that Bush is a Bonesmen, as well as a member of the Bohemian Grove (and who knows what else). 

Government-sponsered terrorism is nothing new.  Many governments throughout the ages have done it.  Also, remember the Northwoods  operation that was planned?  Have you heard of "The report from Iron Mountain", where many of the elites formed a think-tank as to how they could best carry out their world-wide conquest?  They found that war is and has always been the best way to intimidate a given population.  What about the more recent think-tank entitled "Project for a New American Century", where the elites once again said that in order to bring about the type of changes that they wanted to implement they would need a "Big" event.  Have you followed the Bilderberg events that happen every year?   

Information like this is all over the place for people who have eyes to see and ears to hear.  Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.         

[jk3006]

Yes, that is the foundation of their conspiracy. Very believable, right.... And, their logic is because the Gov has not answered all the questions of what happened.....kookoooo   .... koookoooooo
[/quote]

The government couldn't answer all or even close to all the questions unless they simply told the truth.  The fact that they are covering up so much reveals they have something to hide.  If they didn't have anything to hide and if they were a government for the people and by the people, we wouldn't have a problem here.  The problem is that the vast amount of evidence contradicts the government's story.