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CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« on: April 16, 2007, 04:01:09 PM »
Hey guys

      We hunt on a large farm and the tree stands are spread out over a large area. Our walkie- talkies never seem to work right, we also
   need to stay in touch with the main house which is about 15 miles away. There are three of us and cell phones dont work. What would you use ?

      Thxs sz

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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 04:27:49 PM »
I've had better luck with Cobra FRS radios than CBs but nothing portable for a reasonable cost will allow you to talk 15 miles.  Our little sportsman's radios, any type, are pretty much line of sight and that's limited to maybe 2-3 miles even in flat country.  Add a few hills and it's spotty then.
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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 07:03:07 PM »

   We tried the frs radios also , very spoty to.  Motorola has a new set out that will transmitt 25 miles , no static . Just read about them a few minutes ago .  Will check them out .

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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2007, 03:48:00 AM »
[scottzerger ...  Motorola has a new set out that will transmitt 25 miles , no static . Just read about them a few minutes ago .  Will check them out . 
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I'm afraid what you will find when actually using them that the normal range limits will apply. 

"No static" simply means they are using FM (frequency modulation) rather than AM (amplitude modulation) to carry the voice.  FM makes some signals easier to understand but adds nothing to the range.

Radio "Transmission" range itself, even with small transceivers, is basically unlimited but only in a straight line.  It is usually the receivers inability to get a signal of usable signal strength that determines range over the ground.  15 miles is a LOONG way for "walkie-talkie" handheld units unless both the sender and receiver are on 1,000 foot towers!  Even 5 miles over flat ground is usually impossible.

Motorola makes very good gear. If you do get them, please let us all know how they work out.

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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 07:55:14 AM »
Quote from Midland webpage 
“Range (about range)*
This is the most important feature you should consider when selecting a radio.  The range (how far you can talk between two radios) of a radio is directly proportionate to the output power of the radio.  The higher the power, the more range you will get.
It is also important to know that any obstacle between you and the other person you are talking to can affect the range.  Trees, buildings, cars, mountains and valleys can significantly reduce the range of a radio as they will block the radio transmission. 
Maximum range can only be achieved under ideal conditions; fully charged/fresh batteries, flat area with no obstacles between radios, and ideally, over water.  Also, be sure your radio is set to its highest power level. “

http://www.midlandradio.com/comersus/store/comersus_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=133

This is not a recommendation for or against the brand but the information is valid.

You have not mentioned the terrain you are hunting in but terrain and cover have a lot to do with radio reception.  Government agencies and armature radio groups place radio repeaters on high terrain to obtain coverage, but there are still dead spots.  I have been in deep canyons with 5 watt Motorola, and Bendix-King radios and had no communication.
 http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrstable.html

I have communicated a measured 38 miles with low power CB radios between two fire lookout towers located on high mountain peaks.  The key was there were no obstacles between the towers.  But the quality of the communication was poor when compared to the government radios in the towers.   The government radios have the advantage of high quality and excellent antennas.

The problem you describe is not unique in the world of radio communications.  In some rural areas law enforcement vehicles have in car repeaters.  The officer out on a stop transmits on F2 using his 5-watt portable; the repeater in the trunk of the vehicle receives the traffic and repeats on his high power vehicle radio to the dispatcher on F1.  When a major forest fire on other event happens communication experts are assigned to it.  The first thing they start looking for is high points to place portable repeaters.  I suspect that the Gulf Coast Region is a tough place to establish communications because of low terrain and heavy vegetation. 

The quality of GMRS/FRS radios does not come close to public safety radios.  My hunting party uses GMRS/FRS radios for communications.  I suspect that we could communicate with home from a few locations that are at high altitude by we have not tried it.  In the past when we were using CB radios we could communicate between mobile radios approximately 18 miles.  But this was with good ground plane antennas, one radio at 5,000 elevation over looking the location of the radio at 3,000-foot elevation.

Good radio systems are expensive and need to be maintained by knowledgeable people. 

Without expending additional funds for a repeater system you best option is to implement good radio practices.  Fully charged batteries, limit radio use to planned check-in times and power them up when a shot is fired.  Radios stuffed in a pack with the antenna laying sideways instead of vertical loses effective range.  Place a hunter on a high point to relay traffic.  I have seen radios spoil and hunt.  Some people get so wrapped into radio communications that they forget to hunt.  You can set on your stand and hear the radio traffic in the woods.  Some people speak loudly into the radio thinking the message will carry to distant places.  The jays, and the squirrels start chattering because of this traffic.  Clearly deer must be aware of the radio traffic.  The message to the deer is to flee.

I should note that the use of radios during a hunt maybe limited by State Laws.  I consider the radio has a health and safety tool.  Not a hunting implement. 



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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 01:47:10 PM »
  Wow, great info.  I'll give the motorola 9550 some time to hit the market and try to find some reviews before i make a purchase.
 I now have a better understanding of how they function. We have tried the cobras with no luck . Common sense tells me to bring
 first aid kit and como gear ect...  .  Not far from us a hunter was struck by lightning and survived , a good radio could have helped
 him get to the hospital a little sooner . This along with me being a little clumsy coming down a treestand ===  Radio

   Thxs Sz

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Re: CB radio for use on the Farm ?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2007, 07:55:20 PM »
Interesting lessons relearn down on the Sea of Cortez using marine radios.  Us gringos keep track of each other out on the water with marine radios.  From the location I was staying at which was about 15 feet above sea level the range of our 25-watt marine radio with the antenna on top of roof  was very good for a least ten miles out to sea.  A lot depended on the guys radio.  Weekly a boat motor would quit.  A rather serious problem when you are surrounded by white caps.

As boats turn the corner from Mulege into the sea and they stay just off shore the shoulder of the mountains would get in the way.  When a boat was over do it was normal for somebody to take a radio up a tall peak to try contact.  In many cases this was an early option if the winds had come up and there were white caps on the sea. 

Unlike a marine radio or a CB radio the FRS/GMRS operator does not have the option of a good external antenna.

One of the reasons radio range was limited was that many guys cut corners when buying emergency radios.  They thought of them as a tool to yak about the fishing, not getting saved until they were in trouble.
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

Boycott: San Francisco, L.A., Oakland, and City of Sacramento, CA.