Concealed Carry Recitrocity logic

[deltecs]

Why is it that the reciprocity of some states recognized that of a neighboring state but refuse those of states farther away.  For example, Arkansas recognizes Oklahoma, Oklahoma recognizes Alaska, Arkansas does NOT recognize Alaska.  Something should be done about this strange set of standards.  Alaska does not require a Concealed Carry Permit to carry a handgun.  It does have the Concealed Carry Permit for those who travel and to learn proper concealed carry situations for using a handgun in personal defense. One can be obtained by taking the classes and having a background check.  What should we do to standardize the requirements so our permits are good in those states permissible?

[David Carey]

Have you ever looked at the "packing.org" website it has info on all states.

Dave

[deltecs]

Yes, I can find the info on which states grant reciprocity to which other states.  My question is how can we get those states and others to grant reciprocity to any other state?  I think it would not be to hard to convince our State to change its CC laws to accommodate the conditions some other states require for CC license.  What conditions are the same and which are different would help.

[Graybeard]

It's politics, surely you're not expecting logic in politics are you?

[williamlayton]

TEXAS, by GOD has seemed to do away with all this stuff--We recognize anybody that offers a permit and has a permit.
Blessings

[Redhawk1]

Some States are anal. If your State does not have certain requirements, other States my not reciprocate with them because of that.

That is why there is a push for a US carry permit, where it is good all over the US. Also, some States allow Non-residents to obtain a carry permit, it is another was to make revenue for the State.

Remember there are still States without carry permits.

[Almtnman]

For Alabama check this link on my website.

Aalabama Reciprocal Carry States

[rockbilly]

Currently, there are several Congressmen/Senators working on a bill to do the same thing with the concealed permits that has been done with the drivers license.  As I understand, elected officials from The Republic of Kalaforinia, Washington D.C. and New York (City ?) are the major opposition to such a bill.  

It just makes sense, if we can turn ANYONE loose with an automobile to drive anyplace they want , doesn't it make sense that a responsible individual licensed to carry in one state should be allowed the same right in another state?

This is another one of those areas where you, as a responsible citizen, should contact your congressman/senator and express your views on the issue.  The more voices heard, the better the chance of getting such a bill approved.  You can rest assured, I have contacted my Congressman, and Senators, and stated my case.

[deltecs]

It's politics, surely you're not expecting logic in politics are you?

I'm way too old to believe in Once upon a Time.  I thing we can get together as pro firearms users and find out which States do not offer universal reciprocity with other Concealed Carry States and work toward getting them approved.  Alaska approves all other States as does Texas.  But for an example, Oklahoma recognizes Arkansas, Alaska and Texas.  Texas and Oklahoma are recognized by Arkansas.  Alaska is not.  Alaska recognizes Arkansas.  I think these disparities need addressed for all travelers that carry. 

[deltecs]

By the way, I don't expect logic in over 90% of the people I talk to, much less politics.  Common sense is one of Natures' most oxymoron's terms

[KN]

In some cases, Kansas for example, the state will not honor another states permit if that states training does not meet or exceed their own.   KN

[corbanzo]

we have already had the discussion on here about all over US universal carry permits, and the different areas around are just very different, politically, populaton density, socially.  There is no way to make it all the same.  I do agree that reciprocity should lead to states communicating on what should be had in a concealed carry permit.

Maybe it will be like world trade...  reciprocity leads to agreements leads to groups of like states leads to permits which are universal for one part of the country

[Almtnman]

You're right areas are different, but look at it this way, every state in the nation recognizes my drivers license and my area might be different to drive in than some other area but I'm still allowed to drive in their area. There's not a lot of difference in me having my sidearm on my belt in my state and having it in a different state as I have been trusted where I reside, so I should have the same amount of trust placed on me somewhere else, just like my drivers license.

What is needed is a Federal law made to force any state that didn't want to let their citizens have a concealed permit to honor any citizen that has one from another state. That would open the door to some of these strict gun hating states to allow some of their citizens to do what the Constitution is all about.

[ihuntbucks]

The bill "rockbilly" is refering to is "HR 226",it is in committe as we speak.It is a bill that would be a carry permit in any state if you have a permit from your home state.......Rick

[Larry Gibson]

You're right areas are different, but look at it this way, every state in the nation recognizes my drivers license and my area might be different to drive in than some other area but I'm still allowed to drive in their area. There's not a lot of difference in me having my sidearm on my belt in my state and having it in a different state as I have been trusted where I reside, so I should have the same amount of trust placed on me somewhere else, just like my drivers license.

What is needed is a Federal law made to force any state that didn't want to let their citizens have a concealed permit to honor any citizen that has one from another state. That would open the door to some of these strict gun hating states to allow some of their citizens to do what the Constitution is all about.

This is a very good point. Reciprocity should apply to concealed weapons permits as well. A license issued in one location should be applicable to all. Would like to hear from the legal eagles out there on this subject and perhaps why the NRA doesn't take this position.

Larry Gibson

[rockbilly]

As I stated in my earlier post. 

Have you made your wishes known to your elected officials? 

We can gripe, moan, and complain here forever and never accomplish a thing.  Take the time to write or call your Congressman/Senator and  make it known that, I, John P. Public (your name) supports a reciprocating agreement between the states, and request their support in accomplishing this end.

Remember, you can draft a letter to those that have the power to make changes in about the same time it takes to respond to this message.

[Almtnman]

As I stated in my earlier post. 

Have you made your wishes known to your elected officials? 

We can gripe, moan, and complain here forever and never accomplish a thing.  Take the time to write or call your Congressman/Senator and  make it known that, I, John P. Public (your name) supports a reciprocating agreement between the states, and request their support in accomplishing this end.

Remember, you can draft a letter to those that have the power to make changes in about the same time it takes to respond to this message.

I might also add, if you have your Congressmen/Senators; email address and do send an email to them, it needs to have your full name, address, zip code with last four digits if you know it and your phone number including area code. If the email doesn't contain all that info, they will discard it. Now, I have sent many emails to mine, but with email starting to fill up in box's, I have found that a lot of the Congressmen/Senators have their accounts to bounce it back to you to stop the large flow of email. So if they do, you need to log onto their website and hit the contact button there and type in your response on their form which will have a place for all the above info. You can also check the box at bottom to let them know you want a written response from them on their thoughts of what you asked them about. It's very easy to find their phone number and website, just type in their name and usually the first link up will go right there to them.

Then you also need to get their phone number's and add those to your cell phone if you use a cell phone. It takes just a few seconds to get somebody in their office on the phone and you can let them know your feelings there too. I do both the email and cell phone call to make sure they have got my point. It doesn't hurt to also have the White House phone number on your cell and you can even express your feelings there also. I do everyone of these when issues crop up. I'm fortunate that my Congressmen/Senators are against gun control, but that doesn't stop me from expressing my feelings as they need your reinforcement all the time so they know that the voters back home haven't changed on issues.

[jhm]

A few days ago I responded ( or thought )  to the universal license similar to the drivers license, In it I said that on a daily basis more people are killed by legally licensed drivers than are killed by a legally licensed CCW person, and with that I also stated that Senator Ted Kennedy has KILLED more people with his Oldsmobile than than most posters here, (and he still has a drivers license) And dont forget that he is one of our BIGGEST anti-gun advocate, lets just ask him to ban Oldsmobiles, Drinking senators, and the old do as I say not do as I do image they have of themselves.   JIM