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"When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« on: April 21, 2007, 04:02:05 AM »
"When Bees disappear man will soon follow."....Einstein
 
GMO crops, herbicides, pollution, ....looks like cell phones...?
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 06:34:41 AM »
i dont know where they live but i have bees of all kinds all over the damn place,another bs theroy for the paranoid.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2007, 07:49:19 AM »
Old news, bee declines are associated with mites and other parasites that infect colonies, pesticides further exacerbating the issue.

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The honeybee decline, which is affecting domesticated and wild bee populations around the world, is mostly the result of diseases spread as a result of mites and other parasites as well as the spraying of crops with pesticides, scientists say.

Among the greatest problems is the varroa mite, a bloodsucking parasite that attacks young and adult honeybees. Attacked bees often have deformed wings and abdomens and a shortened life span.

"The varroa mite is also really effective at transmitting disease, particularly viruses," Frazier said. Left untreated, a varroa mite infestation can wipe out a bee colony within a few months.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1005_041005_honeybees.html

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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2007, 10:58:41 AM »
I'm not certain but I think the honey bee is really the only one affected at least so far. There are a LOT more bees than just honey bees. While the honey bee is or at least used to be a very important pollinator the other bees seem to have stepped up to fill the gap left by their declining numbers at least around here. My blueberry orchard is primarily pollinated by bumble bees and tiny little bees that as a boy I called a "sweat bee" and which are now often called "blueberry bees" as they along with the big bumblebees are the best pollinators for blueberries.

We have loads of flowers both in our flower gardens and wild flowers of all kinds, several types of fruit and berry trees/bushes around here and there are bees teeming all the time all over the blossums and doing a fine job of pollinating.


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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2007, 12:16:38 PM »
Versions of this (which I believe is a variation of the chaos theory?) have been around for quite some time. I've heard the same about mice, rats, bats, spiders, snakes, even gnats... pretty much any creepy little critter that society might consider to be a pest. The moral of the story is if we mess with the circle of life, all life ends.

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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2007, 08:48:56 AM »
7 years is the projected time that mankind will survive in any numbers
with out Bees. Not A conspiracy theory here. Sure, There are many other insects
that inhabit gardens, But they are not built to carry pollen from point to point.
I live on an old farm, and this really is a serious problem. Our Strange weather
is also another blow to raising crops.. Mild winters but late frosts are devastating.
All of our apple blooms and peach blooms were killed by late frosts this year.
There will most likely be no fruit from them at all.. Fortunately this is no longer a
financial means of support but if it were, We would have nothing after this year.
Remember that some of the silliest sounding theories can still be true.
This one is, There is a Major problem here that if not addressed pretty soon
could potentially cut the U.S. food supply in half in just a few years. 
 
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2007, 07:56:20 PM »
I'm still not convinced. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory... maybe an urban legend.
Bees aren't the only thing that carry pollen. Plus, humans and vegetation survive just fine in parts of the world where there aren't bees. Lets say all bees really will die off, and really are keeping all of mankind alive by pollen distribution. Whats stopping us from distributing it ourselves in order to save the human race?
If I had a penny for every chaos theory that resulted in the end of mankind, I'd never have to work again.

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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 02:58:51 PM »
Although I see your point... the 'canary in a coal mine' actually holds it's own. One, it's truth has been witnessed and proven. Two, it's a scientific fact that the canary breaths faster than a human and therefore will succumb to the lethal gasses before it affects the man. The latter was known even before they were commonly used in mines.
The little animal extinction theories are just that. Theories. Until proof is offered to differ, they will almost certainly stay at the bottom of the "end of the world" list.

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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2007, 06:36:05 AM »
Well there are all kinds of "theories " when it comes to agriculture.....around here...SE Missouri , we are in Cotton Country....all the corn farmers....regardless of good sense...put corn in early because of the very warm March.......then April 4th , 5th , 6th , 7th and 8th , we had record cold....usually corn is planted the second week of April....Cotton not until first week of May .....thousands of acres of corn lost.....if man , would stop getting in such a damn hurry.....we'd be alright.....here's a recent theory for you .....in the 70's, a predicition was made ...."personal computers will save us SO much time...that by the yr 2000 we may be working two or three days a week...and getting  more done that ever before ".      HA  , Statistically , we all work MORE than we did in the 70's....regardless of cell phoes, e mail , computers, text messaging , and downloading ....so much for theories.......that one at least......I wish the bees well.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2007, 04:57:34 PM »
RE: supposed Einstein quote about honeybees:

http://www.gelfmagazine.com/archives..._ecologist.php    :P :D
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2007, 07:31:21 PM »
http://www.gelfmagazine.com/archives/albert_einstein_ecologist.php

Sorry guys proper link there now. :)

I guess you could say it's a debunk type of article.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 09:15:32 PM »
I saw on the evening news now, that the honey bee die off is now due to power plants. They are saying that the pollution from power plants are robbing the flowers fragrance. I think this is just another false hood by the environmentalists.

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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008, 09:36:32 AM »
something has been killing man since i can remember, but the world is over populated, you
say 7-8 years without bees or was that what Einstien said, he must have been a god to lots of people
i just don't believe as smart as he was that he knew every thing about every thing. ::)
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 01:09:38 PM »
I have no idea of what Einstein said or didn't say but if we loose our major pollinator the food chain will not support us all. I have tried gardening here in wash state and if i want anything to produce i have to plant self pollinators or pollinate by hand. Tons of blooms ,no fruit on cukes or beans.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2008, 02:44:48 AM »
Well in South Texas, the bees are alive and well........mesquite is blooming, bees everywhere.....I do know this......in "row crop heaven"......where the acreage of rural area states, such as SE Missouri , Southern and Central Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska.....Central and Southern Indiana...Kansas......places where acre's of cotton, corn, soybeans, Milo, wheat....outnumber the population ........the pesticides sprayed to eliminate pests, weeds, worms, weevils, bugs, aphids, etc etc...are So overdone......that the insect world, is a basic zero.  Acres laid to waste except the green crop , inundated with chemical , to stop weed growth , or incest damage.  The modern farmer, uses these intensely ..........hand in hand, we see an almost complete annihilation of the Bobwhite Quail in Missouri .     Loss of habitat, modern farming leaves no acreage to chance......take out the fence-rows, burn the brush-piles, flatten the water-holding low spots.....make it ALL tillable.....ALL of it.....the only thing we have left are field mice, rats, and varmints......skunks, groundhogs, armadillos, opossums..and coyotes......a scattered deer herd here of there......no pheasant, no quail ......even the rabbits are becoming scarce.....THAT is saying something...but the FARM LOBBY, is bigger than the conservation offices and regional observation points...think of how long it takes, an ecosystem to re-establish ........re-introduction of "critters" is not gonna fix it.....you better start supporting folk like Ducks Unlimited, and like minded folks who are using their funds to buy land......and keep it , the way it is, and out of the hands of the bankers and lawyers....before , as Captain Woodrow F Call says......." I wanna see that country ...before it's gone...before all lthe bankers ad lawyers get it.."...............
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 04:37:16 AM »
I am with you ponydog, but go to the mesquite pastures of west TX and look for Bobwhites, not
there, gone, left, died, imho not a huntable population "of wild birds" people raising birds to turn
loose to hunt, if you have ever hunted pen raised bobwhites that is not hunting. Need to close
season for about 2-3 years and then take a long hard look. I see bees every where i go
maybe they are just not in the right place dunno.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 06:08:07 AM »
Are bees even native to the United States? I don't think they are. ???
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 11:24:55 AM »
well the officials here in Missouri , say modern Ag practices are part of the cause of loss of habitat........they stop there.....hey I don't even know anyone that hunts quail here anymore......even when there were quail...no one went after them .....so I cant begin to say what is happening.......I do know this....when you cut down every form of life except a single line of trees in a few thousand acres.....guess where the game is gonna seek refuge....and if you are a predator...bobcat, coyote, etc......just go down the fence row.....hell, just like shopping in the fresh food isle at Wal Mart
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 11:33:07 AM »
Information available indicates that colonies of honey bees were shipped from England and landed in the Colony of Virginia early in 1622. One or more shipments were made to Massachusetts between 1630 and 1633, others probably between 1633 and 1638. The author was not able to find any records of importing honey bees into other Colonies, but it is reasonable to assume that they were brought by the colonists to New York, Pennsylvania, Carolina, and Georgia.

Records indicate that honey bees were present in the following places on the dates shown:

Connecticut, 1644; New York (Long Island), 1670; Pennsylvania, 1698; North Carolina, 1730; Georgia, 1743; Alabama (Mobile), 1773; Mississippi (Natchez), 1770; Kentucky, 1780; Ohio, 1788; and Illinois, 1820 (Oertel 1976). By 1800, honey bees were widely distributed from the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River.


so no, it sounds as if they are not native Dee..............................
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2008, 04:15:15 AM »
so what kind of veggies did the native Americans eat WAY before the bees, they were growing beans
in the four-corners area way back before their were English, to ship bees.
I know their are more people now, but more types of veg. also maybe we don't need as much as
we think we do.
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Re: "When Bees disappear Man will soon follow"....Einstein
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2008, 04:25:43 PM »
corn, a form of grass, is supposed to be self pollinating in it's original state. pollen falls down from the flower[top] to the silk to fertilize the seed. this made it a prefect food in the absence of bees.
an interesting topic. i've always thought that if you take any theory to it's extreme, you can support a catastrophe hypothetically. basically remove the checks and balances. sort of forgetting about the things that prey on the mites in this case. i think i heard about a predator[maybe a nematode] or a fungus farmers were trying to combat the mites.
something i read quite awhile ago comes to mind when you mention einstien. the idea is that before the early 1900s, most science was observational. people spent years simply watching things happen. and developed their papers from there. over the yrs we gradually started using interventional procedures to answer questions. new skills and tools, like a microscope for example, made it easier to take things apart to find answers. so committed observation taken to an extreme end, could easily result in a doomsday theory.
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