Who among us are not NRA Members...and why?

[pills]

www.gunowners.org

[OLDHandgunner]

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[Redhawk1]

OLDHandgunner, some don't know how true that is. But some people just don't care until it's to late.

I guess the Million plus members of the NRA got it all wrong and we are all brainwashed. The few that think we are, must really be super human to fight the brainwashing.   

Long live the NRA. 

[beemanbeme]

Politicians have little use for individuals.  They say they do but they lie.  Only if you represent a bloc of votes do you get their attention.  I daresay the NRA is probably the same.  And I have  pet peeve with the NRA.  This again may be jacking this thread but.....  You not sooner send in your dues and they start sending yo renewal notices. NONE OF WHICH TELL YOU WHEN YOUR MEMBERSHIP EXPIRES.  I've decided to not renew until I can start getting an expiration date on my renewal notices.  What do you think?  Maybe as a bloc of folks from GB, we can exercise a little clout. (if GB doesn't mind)

[Redhawk1]

How hard is it to make a note of when you sent in your payment? This is a perfect example of some thing that makes no common since.   

Also if you contact the NRA as I did, the calls will stop as well as the mail.
I am sure all the other gun rights organization's would like donations, and don't have a problem taking them either.

[pills]

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Yep they are. So why don't you drop your NRA membership and come over to the GOA? Oh, you expect me to join the NRA so we look united? No thanks. I ain't sayin you are brainwashed but somehow some of ya'll think the NRA is the cats meow and there is no one else out there.  GOA is for Gun Owners rights just as much if not more than the NRA.

Next thing you will tell me I ain't a Christian because I don't go to YOUR church and GIVE $$ to it.

[Dee]

Careful pills. Your thinking and acting on your own.

[Redhawk1]

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Yep they are. So why don't you drop your NRA membership and come over to the GOA? Oh, you expect me to join the NRA so we look united? No thanks. I ain't sayin you are brainwashed but somehow some of ya'll think the NRA is the cats meow and there is no one else out there.  GOA is for Gun Owners rights just as much if not more than the NRA.

Next thing you will tell me I ain't a Christian because I don't go to YOUR church and GIVE $$ to it.

What don't all you smart guys sit back and really think about it. Myself and others are not JUST members of the NRA, myself I belong to many pro-gun and second amendment groups. No one is suggesting we all be a one trick pony. But all you smart guys that have not been brainwashed by the NRA have all the answers.  So pills, why if the GOA is such a great organization have a lot of people not heard of them? Please answer me that simple question.  Also just how and why is the GOA better than the NRA?

Dee, I act on my own all the time, but that does not stop me form joining a organization that is a lot stronger with it's numbers than I am as an individual. But you must fall in the smart guy category with the few of you that have not been brainwashed. 

[Dee]

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Yep they are. So why don't you drop your NRA membership and come over to the GOA? Oh, you expect me to join the NRA so we look united? No thanks. I ain't sayin you are brainwashed but somehow some of ya'll think the NRA is the cats meow and there is no one else out there.  GOA is for Gun Owners rights just as much if not more than the NRA.

Next thing you will tell me I ain't a Christian because I don't go to YOUR church and GIVE $$ to it.

What don't all you smart guys sit back and really think about it. Myself and others are not JUST members of the NRA, myself I belong to many pro-gun and second amendment groups. No one is suggesting we all be a one trick pony. But all you smart guys that have not been brainwashed by the NRA have all the answers.  So pills, why if the GOA is such a great organization have a lot of people not heard of them? Please answer me that simple question.  Also just how and why is the GOA better than the NRA?

Dee, I act on my own all the time, but that does not stop me form joining a organization that is a lot stronger with it's numbers than I am as an individual. But you must fall in the smart guy category with the few of you that have not been brainwashed. 

Are we name calling now Redhawk, with the "Smart guy" remark? Do you feel superior in your thinking just because you are a member of all those other organizations? Are YOU the one that is right, and we whom do not agree therefore, MUST be wrong. I think not. You place YOURSELF on higher ground but, apparently all are not in agreement with you. I don't believe it's required to agree with you. If you want support, sugar is a better lure than condecending venom. I only join organizations that I trust to do my bidding, and I, like others here do not trust the same folks you do. But, that doesn't make us anyless interested in preseving our rights. We simply see a way we like better. If we must unite as you say, then why don't you drop the NRA, and come with us. Why should we conform to YOUR way.

We many times are not on the same page, because one in the group wants to do all the writing on that page. I believe you Redhawk1 are one of those.

[pills]

What don't all you smart guys sit back and really think about it. Myself and others are not JUST members of the NRA, myself I belong to many pro-gun and second amendment groups. No one is suggesting we all be a one trick pony. But all you smart guys that have not been brainwashed by the NRA have all the answers.  So pills, why if the GOA is such a great organization have a lot of people not heard of them? Please answer me that simple question.  Also just how and why is the GOA better than the NRA?

Dee, I act on my own all the time, but that does not stop me form joining a organization that is a lot stronger with it's numbers than I am as an individual. But you must fall in the smart guy category with the few of you that have not been brainwashed. 

I have thought about it. That is why I left the NRA. Several are suggesting we be a one trick pony. They have stopped short of saying if you aren't with the NRA you are with the Anti's but that is the tone.

Why haven't people heard of the GOA? Some don't pay attention. I posted an article earlier in this about how the GOA was standing in opposition to the NRA. Let's face it. Right now the NRA has more members and more money. Does that make them better? NO. More influence yes but not better. If more people found out about what the NRA is actually doing and abandoned ship one of two things would happen. Either the NRA would fold (looking @ their financial losses that is a real possibility) or they would get  back to where they once where.

I let my membership lapse several years ago. My wife just walked in from the mailbox and handed me a final notice. Wanna guess who it was from? If Wayne is not the president why are all of the letters from him?

Wow if I don't give money right now to the NRA the Lord is going to kill Wayne Lapoopiere? Oh wait that is a different story...

How and why is the GOA better than the NRA? I will leave you with their slogan.

What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand?

[Redhawk1]

Dee, no I am not name calling, I am one of the brainwashed people so there for, I guess I am not in the smart guy category. Brainwashed I can't think for myself.

OK, I know some of you are tired of hearing from me as I am of you.

But someone please tell me what Gun bill, right or anything else the GOA has single handily defeated? What are there numbers of members?  We hear they are a no compromise organization, and when we as gun owners loose gun rights battles, is there stance still no compromise. So what exactly have they accomplished? Let me tell you, NOTHING! But they did not compromise. What a joke.

Dee I would love to join the GOA, but give up the NRA? NO WAY! 
Yes I am a proud NRA member and I beat there drum loud and proud, but the anti's beat there anti gun, anti hunting louder than any of us. They are united to strip us of our rights and yet we as gun owners and hunter are doing there work for them.
You can get as mad as you want to at me and believe what ever you want about me, but let me tell you. I am for gun rights and defending them. Some times we have no choice but to make compromises, it is no different than a marriage, In order for marriages to work, we have to make compromises weather we like them or not.

If you all think an individual is so powerful, try to elect someone for President with just your vote.

[Redhawk1]

pills, I never told anyone to abandon there group and joint the NRA. I just believe the NRA is a great organization and they have done a lot of good for gun rights. Yes there are other groups out there and we should belong to at least one. Pick what ever one you want, but pick one. You would be surprised just how many gun owner don't belong to any and just don't care. But they will be the ones crying to loudest because they never seen it coming.

I am going to join the GOA today, why?  Because I believe in strength in numbers. But I will not abandon the NRA.

[DWTim]

Okay, I'll admit that I don't trust LaPierre. I am not a life member. I give when they're doing things I like, I withhold when they do things I don't like. I'm currently not happy with their performance as of late, but I keep a couple things in mind:

1. The NRA is a lobby organization. They are part of the Washington culture. That culture is out of touch with the people, as evidenced by the recent Amnesty Bill fiasco. You don't know what kind of empty skirts the NRA deals with. It must be mind-bending to try and argue logic with these types. Don't become dependent on a lobby organization to fight every battle for you, or your arguing skills will get rusty.

2. Wayne LaPierre is one guy. The Board is... What? Seventy-five people? They do not have to power to micro-manage all the issues in every state. So in the case of one local lobbyist, if he is unresponsive, there's not much the NRA can do without your help. Such is the case with the Sheriff Bill Brown "surprise" in CA. While the NRA may have protected us from total disarmament since the turn of the century, they couldn't have done it without irate voters who know how to use a pen.


And I don't think the NRA is a fix-all. They can't fight the social engineering going on in the press, socialist (re-)education or the media. Remember when the school systems flipped out because the NRA wanted to do Eddie Eagle gun safety assemblies? The disarmers aren't interested in public safety, they're interested in generating hate and irrational knee-jerk slogan shouting at anyone who might show the slightest bit of favor to the gun culture.

The NRA can defend (or negotiate) our personal liberties, and they have a great organization for sports (practice makes perfect; well-regulated and such), but we're going to have to fight on the philosophical and practical level, or they will be defending an ever-shrinking base of gun owners.

[pills]

I disagree with your statement that we have to compromise. There is no reason to compromise. We have the Constitution on our side. What have they compromised? If anything the antis will just peck away out our rights until they are all gone. They will take each compromise and know they will come back for more. You equate this to a marriage. In my marriage any compromise I make is for the better of the family. If my wife says she wants to date other people should I make that compromise as long as she only does it once a month?

Many on this thread have spoke of division as if not being in the NRA was making us divided. I choose to belong to a group that does not compromise gun rights. Some choose to belong to a group that admittedly compromises some. And then tell me because I don't belong to their group I am part of the problem?!? That does not equate. If you choose to join the GOA that is great. I hope you make an informed decision.

About the GOA

Who Is GOA?

Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.

GOA was founded in 1975 by Sen. H.L. (Bill) Richardson (now retired). Richardson continues to serve as the Chairman of Gun Owners of America, bringing his many years of political experience to the leadership of GOA. Richardson is also an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

The GOA Board of Directors brings over 100 years of combined knowledge and experience on guns, legislation and politics. GOA's Board is not satisfied with the "status quo." Americans have lost some of our precious gun rights and WE WANT THEM BACK! This is why GOA is considered the "no compromise" gun lobby.

From state legislatures and city councils to the United States Congress and the White House, GOA represents the views of gun owners whenever their rights are threatened.

GOA has never wavered from its mission to defend the Second Amendment -- liberty's freedom teeth, as George Washington called it.

Over the last 30 years, GOA has built a nationwide network of attorneys to help fight court battles in almost every state in the nation to protect gun owner rights. GOA staff and attorneys have also worked with members of Congress, state legislators and local citizens to protect gun ranges and local gun clubs from closure by overzealous government anti-gun bureaucrats.

As an example, GOA fought for and won, the right of gun owners to sue and recover damages from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) for harassment and unlawful seizure of firearms.

Associated with GOA are: Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund, Gun Owners of California and Gun Owners Foundation.

Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund is the political action arm of GOA. It raises funds to support the election of pro-gun candidates at all levels of government. GOA has a record of helping pro-gun candidates defeat anti-gunners in hundreds of races across the country over the past 30 years, and will continue to do so as long as our supporters provide the necessary financial resources.

Gun Owners of California operates solely within California, where it was also founded by Senator Richardson to address the pivotal gun issues arising in that state.

Gun Owners Foundation is a non-profit, tax-deductible education foundation. It is the research arm of GOA. Among the activities sponsored by GOF are seminars which inform the public, the media and government officials about key issues affecting the Second Amendment. GOF also publishes books and articles concerning gun issues as they affect people throughout the world.

Strength comes with numbers, and the more concerned Americans join Gun Owners of America, the more we can do to protect the Second Amendment and our freedom. We need you! Shouldn't you become a member of Gun Owners of America?

[ms]

I was a member not no more after I join they kept ask me for money I MEAN every week two or three letters asking for money I ask them to stop it kept coming that was it.

[dukkillr]

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Yep they are. So why don't you drop your NRA membership and come over to the GOA? Oh, you expect me to join the NRA so we look united? No thanks. I ain't sayin you are brainwashed but somehow some of ya'll think the NRA is the cats meow and there is no one else out there.  GOA is for Gun Owners rights just as much if not more than the NRA.

Next thing you will tell me I ain't a Christian because I don't go to YOUR church and GIVE $$ to it.

What don't all you smart guys sit back and really think about it. Myself and others are not JUST members of the NRA, myself I belong to many pro-gun and second amendment groups. No one is suggesting we all be a one trick pony. But all you smart guys that have not been brainwashed by the NRA have all the answers.  So pills, why if the GOA is such a great organization have a lot of people not heard of them? Please answer me that simple question.  Also just how and why is the GOA better than the NRA?

Dee, I act on my own all the time, but that does not stop me form joining a organization that is a lot stronger with it's numbers than I am as an individual. But you must fall in the smart guy category with the few of you that have not been brainwashed. 

Are we name calling now Redhawk, with the "Smart guy" remark? Do you feel superior in your thinking just because you are a member of all those other organizations? Are YOU the one that is right, and we whom do not agree therefore, MUST be wrong. I think not. You place YOURSELF on higher ground but, apparently all are not in agreement with you. I don't believe it's required to agree with you. If you want support, sugar is a better lure than condecending venom. I only join organizations that I trust to do my bidding, and I, like others here do not trust the same folks you do. But, that doesn't make us anyless interested in preseving our rights. We simply see a way we like better. If we must unite as you say, then why don't you drop the NRA, and come with us. Why should we conform to YOUR way.

We many times are not on the same page, because one in the group wants to do all the writing on that page. I believe you Redhawk1 are one of those.

Very, very well said.  Why people believe that insulting others helps their argument is beyond me, and always has been.  I also find it interesting that the, "if we disagree the antis win" arguers are always adamant that others join their view rather than vice versa.

[Graybeard]

There is NO compromise with the antis. By definition compromise means BOTH SIDES give up something for agreement. The antis never GIVE anything they always TAKE and we're the only ones giving anything and that something is our freedoms and liberties.

I really care not if you NRA supporters refuse to do the research or not but the NRA is giving them away left and right and are able to do so ONLY because so many say they speak for all gun owners and the Congress has come to believe that and so when the compromising NRA says to the Congress "yeah OK we'll live with this new anti gun bill" they vote for not against it as they might have otherwise.

Do the research the NRA caves in and every time they do an anti gun bill passes that would NOT have passed without the blessing of the NRA. You believe in them if you wish but from where I sit they are more the enemy than our friend.

[Redhawk1]

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Yep they are. So why don't you drop your NRA membership and come over to the GOA? Oh, you expect me to join the NRA so we look united? No thanks. I ain't sayin you are brainwashed but somehow some of ya'll think the NRA is the cats meow and there is no one else out there.  GOA is for Gun Owners rights just as much if not more than the NRA.

Next thing you will tell me I ain't a Christian because I don't go to YOUR church and GIVE $$ to it.

What don't all you smart guys sit back and really think about it. Myself and others are not JUST members of the NRA, myself I belong to many pro-gun and second amendment groups. No one is suggesting we all be a one trick pony. But all you smart guys that have not been brainwashed by the NRA have all the answers.  So pills, why if the GOA is such a great organization have a lot of people not heard of them? Please answer me that simple question.  Also just how and why is the GOA better than the NRA?

Dee, I act on my own all the time, but that does not stop me form joining a organization that is a lot stronger with it's numbers than I am as an individual. But you must fall in the smart guy category with the few of you that have not been brainwashed. 

Are we name calling now Redhawk, with the "Smart guy" remark? Do you feel superior in your thinking just because you are a member of all those other organizations? Are YOU the one that is right, and we whom do not agree therefore, MUST be wrong. I think not. You place YOURSELF on higher ground but, apparently all are not in agreement with you. I don't believe it's required to agree with you. If you want support, sugar is a better lure than condecending venom. I only join organizations that I trust to do my bidding, and I, like others here do not trust the same folks you do. But, that doesn't make us anyless interested in preseving our rights. We simply see a way we like better. If we must unite as you say, then why don't you drop the NRA, and come with us. Why should we conform to YOUR way.

We many times are not on the same page, because one in the group wants to do all the writing on that page. I believe you Redhawk1 are one of those.

Very, very well said.  Why people believe that insulting others helps their argument is beyond me, and always has been.  I also find it interesting that the, "if we disagree the antis win" arguers are always adamant that others join their view rather than vice versa.

dukkillr, I understand why you personally would take being called a smart guy as insulting. But it is fine for others to tell us we are brainwashed and that is not insulting? I guess if it comes from me it is insulting, but if someone you agree with and side with that is fine. I guess we have a double standard here.

I see how things work here.. People can tell us how bad the NRA is, but dammed if we disagree with them. Again one sided don't you think.

I don't know where you guys say the anti's never give.
Last week here in Delaware we got our handguns passed to use in our deer season in conjunction with firearm season, we have passed the law where our guns can't be confiscated in a State of emergence. We are also working on a lot of pro-gun issues with people that don't want gun ownership. Who was there, the NRA, not the GOA. We always give, we get as well.

Graybeard, how do you know that the bills that pass would not of passed anyway's, or even worst, pass without compromise. Were you there? It is easy to sit here and be judgmental and play Monday morning quarter back, but I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate when all this is going on. It is easy to complain that the NRA always tires to get money to aid in fighting for gun rights, but I see so many other organization that do the same thing and no one is complaining.

I am still waiting to find out what the GOA has done, what pro-gun issue have they fought for and won? Can anyone here please answer that for me? No compromise but no support. It does not feel so good when others put down the group you support, does it?

[pills]

You can bash the GOA all you want. I am not going to get upset and start calling names. If you spent 1/2 the time researching the GOA as you have spent replying to posts on this thread you would know why I support the GOA. If you like to be spoonfed all of your information so that other people make your decisions for you then I am not going to be able to assist you.

So far you have shown evidence of part of the problem. It doesn't seem that you are researching your decisions and positions. The GOA website, google, wiki and countless others will show you what you are looking for.

[Redhawk1]

pills, I have been on there web site for the last two day, I don't have to be spoon fed anything. I guess from the lack of response, you all don't have a clue as to what they have done either.

If you guys think being called smart guys is so bad, how do you handle the real world?  I see a bunch of guys taking offense to being called smart. LOL now that is funny.

What I have seen here is 5 or 6 guys that don't like the NRA and are having a ball bashing them, but when called out, they have no response other than, "Do the research". At least I know where the NRA stands and that is all that matters to me.  I am not bashing the GOA, I just want to know from others here that support them as to what they have done. Fancy slogans don't get it done. I guess you have answered my question to the best of your ability and I will have to call the GOA and find out for myself.  But thank you for your time. 

I guess you will use me as your other reason not to be a member of the NRA. I find it hilarious that you all can't handle being questioned on your organization with out taking offense and feeling threatened. Wow so much for standing up and fighting for what you believe in. No Compromise. 

Have a good day all, it has been very interesting. 

[pills]

Wow you are full of yourself. I am not offended in the least. So you call me a smart guy. Should I trace your IP address to your house and come punch you in the face?  Is that the response you are looking for? I guess in my neck of the woods called out has a different meaning than yours. No person hiding behind a keyboard and monitor has ever called me out.


What proof do you need to be convinced the GOA works for gun owners? Do you need receipts to show where they took politicians to play golf?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

I notice under your title it says moderator. I don't guess I know what area of this forum you moderate but it appears you have begun to think way too much of yourself. You see, no person on the world wide web would ever convince me to join or not join an organization. I made my mind up to leave the NRA long before I found this site. Chances are I will still support the Gun Owners of America long after GB bans me for life.

[OLDHandgunner]

Please read my reply #29 page 1. Don't want to re-write it again. I haven't bashed any other gun organization like GOA. If you want to belong to more than one organization fine. Join them all if it makes you feel better, as long as they're helping fight for our right to bear & own firearms. Stop finding fault with each organization and each other. Lets join together and fight these people that are trying to take your gun rights away. Because you best believe we are going to have a fight on our hands after Nov. 2008. Then we will see which of these groups will help us. I'm hoping that they all will be fighting for us.
So get out and VOTE, join 1 or more of these gun organization, and fight like hell to keep our guns.
And guys and gals lets be civil to one another, because we all want the same thing.
Just remember:
                     UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL
                

[Graybeard]

At least I know where the NRA stands and that is all that matters to me.

Sadly no clearly you DO NOT know where the NRA REALLY STANDS. You seem only to know what they and the media spoon feed you to keep the NRA as the main place where pro gunners money goes rather than it going to more effective organizations who actually are FOR our rights rather than an organization so busy giving them away for us.

Have you EVER really did any research on just what they REALLY are doing behind your back TO not FOR you?

[NONYA]

Any pro 2nd amendment Organization that gives in to the antis one iota will never recieve a dime from me,the NRA has several times.Im researching the GOA as i have time and I will probably join in August,bills should all be caught up by then.The NRA spends MILLIONS sending out all that damn junk mail and money beggin crap i get,maybe they should wine and dine a few more liberals with that $ and get somthing done!







Please remember,i am now a lifetime member of the -=TDC=-,Thanx!

[countryrebel8174]

You can be a member of as many organizations as you want to. You could be a member of the NRA and the Hangun Control Inc if you wanted. I encourage all to research and make their own decision.

In case you are having trouble finding their website I offer you this. http://www.gunowners.org/

[Redhawk1]

NONYA, you want to be a member of a NO COMPROMISE group, yet you want to ban the 50BMG from hunting.  You talk out of both sides of your mouth. I am sure you did not forget that thread. Though it may not be a second amendment issue because it involves hunting and not ownership, you were still strongly agents the 50 BMG for hunting, as Zumbo was about the AR15 for hunting. That is COMPROMISE.

[OLDHandgunner]

Why? Graybeard of all people are you trying to turn us all against the NRA? I do not agree with all the things that the NRA does. But so far they have done the most to help us gun owners. Maybe they have strayed away from what they use to be. So lets tell them and get them back on coarse. And we don't need you and the rest of the folks telling us NOT to join the NRA. We're all in this together. So lets stop fighting with each other about which organization is helping us the most. If you want to bad mouth folks, start bad mouthing the anti's.
I also have a graybreard and alot of years under this old hat of mine. I've learned that you DON"T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.
Sorry if I've offended any one with this but I'm fed up with this bad mouthing.

[Graybeard]

Why? Graybeard of all people are you trying to turn us all against the NRA? I do not agree with all the things that the NRA does. But so far they have done the most to help us gun owners. Maybe they have strayed away from what they use to be. So lets tell them and get them back on coarse. And we don't need you and the rest of the folks telling us NOT to join the NRA. We're all in this together. So lets stop fighting with each other about which organization is helping us the most. If you want to bad mouth folks, start bad mouthing the anti's.
I also have a graybreard and alot of years under this old hat of mine. I've learned that you DON"T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.
Sorry if I've offended any one with this but I'm fed up with this bad mouthing.

Sorry but I just DO NOT agree with your basic premise. I do NOT agree that the NRA today does good but rather more harm than good to gun rights. We are most decidedly NOT in this together. The NRA is hurting us not helping us today in my opinion. That's a basic point on which I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I most definitely do not see the NRA as a "hand that feeds me" but only as the one that slaps me in the face and gives away my rights that they have no business even being involved with. They do NOT speak for me. Were I not a long time life member from way before they turned their back on us I'd not be a member at all. Yes some day I hope LaPierre is fired as he so richly deserves to be in my opinion and that the NRA will turn itself around and that I can once again support them. Until them sorry but I have no use for what they have become.

It's not so much that they have done things to help us but are doing far more to harm us these days. They just try to take credit for all that goes well and refuse blame when things go wrong. Yet in reality it's the other way around most of the time. If tomorrow the NRA declared bankruptcy and ceased to exist the gun owners of this nation would in my opinion be far far better for it. Then the money being wasted by them would go to those other groups that are actually 100% for our rights and 100 or even 1000 fold improvement would take place in our position.

You'll never convince me otherwise and frankly I'm not gonna convince you either so let's just agree to disagree. You see them one way and I see them another.

[Redhawk1]

OLDHandgunner, well said.

I may be outspoken and over bearing, but I believe in a cause and my intentions are all good. I am Pro-gun and I support people and organization that supports the second amendment. Like I have said many times, I don't agree 100% with all the NRA does, but I support them. Who else has the political clout that the NRA has in the political arena. Over 3 Million NRA members is a strong group. Should the NRA make changes and can they do better, sure they can, but bashing them and dropping out of the NRA is not going to change it, if anything it will destroy it. Then what is left? A  bunch of rag tag groups that have no political clout what so ever.

Now lets look at SCI, they are doing a good deal of good in the hunting and gun world, they are turning into another group that is worth supporting.

[NONYA]

Id like to see a breakdown of where all that money ends up,how much are the NRA bigwigs taking home for their "work"?







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