Author Topic: Is there any truth!!!!!!!!!! (Read 1544 times)

DalesCarpentry · « **on:** April 28, 2007, 05:22:04 PM »

I do not have a bore sighter. I have a friend that said you can look through the bore of your gun and adjust the scope accordingly to get you on paper at 100 yards.Is there any truth to this?

Scootter · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2007, 05:43:10 PM »

Yes, If you have a solid rest where the gun will not move. Simply get the target centered in the bore. Then adjust your cross hairs. Worked fine on my Handi. It helps if the barrel and scope are strapped down so they will not move.

For a bolt gun just pull the bolt.

Scootter

AZ223 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2007, 05:53:38 PM »

I did it with a bolt gun; worked great. A little difficulty with a .22 cal. bore and a 26" barrel, but I used the top corner of a building for reference; windage was off less than an inch.

MnMike · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2007, 06:27:35 PM »

I use a small flashlight bulb 10 yards from my bench. I center the light through the bore using a cheap Sight and Clean gun holder. I then adjust the scope to point at the light. This gets it close enough for a 25 yard shot. I correct and then move out to 100yds.

good luck

mike

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2007, 06:39:02 PM »

Quote from: DALESCARPENTRY on April 28, 2007, 05:22:04 PM

I do not have a bore sighter. I have a friend that said you can look through the bore of your gun and adjust the scope accordingly to get you on paper at 100 yards.Is there any truth to this?

Yes...you can...it is like using a peep site..but you really need to have the barrel secured well enough so it won't move on ya...Wally world sells the Lohman site vise for about $26.00 and they work great for doing this and working on guns too...I have one and filled the compartments under it with #6 shot..It weighs it down and makes it more stable to use... Also...insert a deprimed case into the chamber and push it all the way in...this will make a smaller hole to look thru and make it easier to get centered on the target..just like using a smaller aperture on a peep site..I've done mine this way for many years and it works just fine...Save a bunch of ammo sighting them in this way...

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2007, 06:54:22 PM »

I used to do actual "bore" sighting looking thru the bore, but using a lazer bore sighter is the cat's meow, once you've used one, you'll never go back to the old way, it's just so much more accurate and FUN!!!!

Tim

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:00:10 PM »

Ok Tim. Can I go out to the range tomorrow and try to get on paper this way? So far today I need a toque wrench and a bore sighter. I will aquirer these items in some time.

ken2222 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:03:40 PM »

I've gone so far as to use a C clamp and the top rail of my deck to anchor ...bigger bores are easier of course but all that matters is that you get it close enough to get on paper...but I have been as close as just a few clicks to zero....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:07:00 PM »

Looking thru the bore works fine, it's been done that way by many. Use what works for you and you'll be good to go.

I've done without a lot of toys my whole life, decided a $40 laser bore sighter was one thing I didn't want to be without, I'm glad I tried one, wish I bought one sooner!! I've had mine for 2yrs, still running on the original battery.

A fella can never have too many tools!!

Tim

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:11:59 PM »

Thanks Tim. I will give it a try tomorrow if it stops raining. I have been looking at bore sighters for more than a year and will own soon. Thanks Dale.

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:12:47 PM »

I bore sight all my rifles...and for that matter all my family and friends. It's really easy, you just need a steady rest and a steady eye.
Buying a bore sighter to me is more of a luxury than a need.Sometimes us shooters are lead to believe we "need" more stuff than we actually do. Amazing how much stuff there really is out there we don't.
But I see how convenient they can be as I have used them in the past.
Mac's idea of using a deprimed case is excellent if you bore sight.

-Aaron

Roudy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2007, 07:59:24 PM »

I still look through the bore.

Staple a paper plate at 50 yards, secure the rifle with the paper plate centered while looking through the bore, then adjust your scope.

No one has mentioned this, but when you turn your scope adjustment knobs remember that you are adjusting the scope to the bore, therefore adjustments are opposite of when you are moving to the strike of the bullet. In simple terms it is backwards. If the bore is aligned with the paper plate and the crosshairs are below the center of the plate, turn the knob DOWN to bring the crosshairs UP to the center. Left and right work the same way.

Being somewhat slow this had me scratching my head one day. Of course with a bore sighter it is just like moving the strike of the bullet, but that's one more thing to carry around.

I usually don't expect perfect alignment, just good enough to get the bullet on the target, then fire and adjust.

Roudy

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2007, 08:00:48 PM »

Seeing as my gunsmitth is closed tomorrow I will give it a try.

Coffee_Boy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:13:04 PM »

Yes I, too, am too cheap for a laser. The problem with looking through is figuring out what the heck you are seeing, or pointing at the thing you are using (paper plate as suggested). A small movement of the muzzle can easily move your field of vision through the bore off by 10 feet at 100 yards. So I sight at a light bulb at about 20 yards. When I get to the range, I have to sight in at 50 yards first. Eying it to paper at 100 yards is pretty darn good, in my book.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2007, 01:37:20 AM »

With my Handi's I usually remove the barrel from the receiver then place the barrel across a cardboard box that I have cut 2 small "v" shaped notches from on opposite ends, I place the box w/barrel on it on a table or the kitchen counter and then while still in my house I sight right through a window by looking through the barrel (bore) at a target of opportunity that happens to line up and I feel comfortable with, a neighbors front light or lawn ornament, a street light bulb, a parked cars taillight, whatever I can see well. If I have to deepen a notch with my pocket knife or a pair of scissors it's simple, if I have to pad up one end with a small piece of cardboard its equally easy. Once the "target" is CENTERED in the bore, without moving the gun, look through the scope and determine your estimated adjustments, 5 up, 7 right, whatever (remember Roudys excellent point, you adjustments will be reversed from what you see). You don't have to worry about moving the gun, I usually take the gun right off the box and make the arrangements, then return it to the box and resight through the barrel bore on the target, THEN check your scope and see if the crosshairs are on the same point, if not move them again, resight through the barrel (bore) and check the scope. It's simple, easy, cheap, and can even be done without a cardboard box, I have done it by lying the gun barrel on a towel and a stack of magazines the get the right height to line up with my intended target. I have used this method for many years and it works fine. I have done friend's guns in PA and Maine while at their kitchen tables. It's free and it works. Having the gun secured might be nice but it is unnecessary when you think about it, it takes just a few of seconds to align the barrel again after each or your series of scope adjustments...Good Luck....<><....

poncaguy · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2007, 04:51:03 AM »

what is a good bore sighter...............cost?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2007, 05:17:23 AM »

This is what I use, Larry.

Tim

Cabela's Laser Bore Sighter

poncaguy · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2007, 05:25:53 AM »

thank ya!

aulrich · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2007, 06:49:06 AM »

This spring I added a Leopold optical bore sighter to my inventory (you basically see a grid through the scope $95 cnd) when I was debugging a problem with my marlin 917's scope/rings/bases (I was hitting way right and ran out of adjustments) it's a long story but it was invaluable for that job. and since it is a grid the though is I can count the clicks from bore sight to actual I should be able to recover zero on guns that need to be disassembled for cleaning (like my 10/22) and could be real useful for those who have multiple barrels per frame.

darat100 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2007, 07:51:05 AM »

Wally wold sells one that looks just like what Tim posted. Same price, get it today instead of waiting. I wouldn't trade mine for anything. Quick and easy and inexpensive. I think it does anything from .17 to 50 cal muzzleloaders.

oneshotonekill · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2007, 08:52:07 AM »

If you use a laser bore sighter make sure you remove it from the barrel before shooting.

Or you may end up with a custom gun like this:

http://www.huntingpa.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB1&Number=842631&page=1&fpart=all

nomosendero · « **Reply #21 on:** May 01, 2007, 01:25:50 AM »

Ah, a blunderbust.

Brett · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2007, 01:54:48 AM »

That would make it kind of difficult to get your gun back in it's case wouldn't it?

Coffee_Boy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2007, 04:13:18 AM »

So the moral is ... really really stupid people (like me) should just keep doing it by eye?

Mac11700 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2007, 06:26:55 AM »

Quote from: Coffee_Boy on May 01, 2007, 04:13:18 AM

So the moral is ... really really stupid people (like me) should just keep doing it by eye?

Coffee_Boy...While a laser bore slighter is nice..and does have a "coolness factor"...many folks like myself and others here have been eyeballing it for a long time...and it's not because I'm stupid...and I doubt you are either......Your basically just making a rough guesstimate anyway..wither your eyeballing it or using a laser..Neither ways of doing it will be 100% accurate with any particular load...and you will still have to make minor adjustments.....As I said earlier in this post..I use a Lohman sight vise...for me...it is much easier to have it locked down than to just leave it loose in a cardboard box or sitting on the bags...and you can be more precise with your sight adjustments...which is something you will see you need....For me...the added benefit of being able to utilize it for routine maintenance on my rifles as well...makes it more valuable than having a laser pointer...

Mac

Devy55 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2007, 08:09:51 AM »

Before I got my laser, I boresighted.

Believe it or not, I did most of my boresighting at night or dusk.

I removed the H&R barrel from the receiver and mounted it in a rest. Then I centered the bore on a street light about 200 yards away. The light was clearly visible, stood out in the dark and illumated the bore. You could easily tell when it was centered by the illumination on the rifling. Then I simply adjusted the scope until it was centered on the same street light.

The farther away the light, the more "on target" the shot was at the 100 yard zero range.

Worked every time.

Coffee_Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2007, 08:17:45 AM »

I was referring to the exploded barrel, Mac.

I.e. bore sighting for stupid people might not include a laser.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2007, 06:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Coffee_Boy on May 01, 2007, 08:17:45 AM

I was referring to the exploded barrel, Mac. I.e. bore sighting for stupid people might not include a laser.

Ok..but should stupid people really have guns then

Mac

sluggo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2007, 12:07:34 AM »

Ya can do it the old fashioned way, that is if you have a rest you can clamp your rifle down in. Tack a 4 ft. sheet of white butcher on a big backstop make a 4" plus sign with tape, shoot at the plus sign. Keep the gun clamped in and not move it, adjust scope til cross hairs hit your bullet hole...wha...la, your in the money in 1 shot.