Author Topic: .250 Savage anyone? (Read 19253 times)

AtlLaw · « **Reply #60 on:** August 16, 2008, 05:49:59 AM »

Kind of unusual to quote one's self, but I see I wrote this over a year ago and there have been developments!

Quote from: AtlLaw on May 21, 2007, 02:18:58 PM

,snip>I've got a "Bob" I like a lot, but I have always had the hots for a 250. the 99's are priced out of sight now, and I've never liked their accuracy (or lack there of) even though I have 2 ... . I WANT to build one (a .250 Savage) on a M-7 action like the original poster said. These 2 are made for each other! But alas, my lone M-7 is an old 18.5 in. barrel version in 7/08 that is such a joy I can't bear to mess with it. But I've been looking for a M-7 that is in need of a heart transplant and a face lift, and if I find one...

Well, as you may or may not know, I found that M7!

It's a youth model in 260. It would have already been off to Shaw for a new .250 barrel, but I just can't stand to do that until I shoot it as is!

Maybe kill a deer with it first... maybe not... $:-\$ But I'm on my way to getting that long desired .250!

Golfswithwolves · « **Reply #61 on:** October 31, 2008, 02:40:32 PM »

I've used my .250 Savage 99 on deer with very satisfactory results. Very accurate, light recoil and not much noise. In this rifle be careful with loading too heavy, as the case can stretch and separate just in front of the web (should not be a problem with bolt guns). The 99 is a marvel though: it was designed in 1899 and handles modern pointy-bullet cartridges, has a butter smooth action and rotary magazine, a loaded chamber indicator, a rounds remaining counter, a tang safety (on mine), takes a scope easily, and is as accurate as a bolt gun. I think this rifle/cartridge combination is just about perfect for medium game.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #62 on:** November 13, 2008, 09:46:11 AM »

My brother got a Win Model 70 in 250 Savage about 8 years ago. This lightweight, light recoiling rifle kills far beyond its dimunitive size and paper ballistics. It is now his favorite rifle when he goes afield for deer or hogs (and he has over 50 to choose from). I have seen him hit venison anywhere from 30 to 120 yds with this round and all dropped where they stood. Several hogs have met the same fate. His 10 yr old son just got his first buck with it this season. (40 yds, heart/lung, one shot)

I had the chance to put it on paper at the range and it will hold right at 1" .....my best 5 shot string with it was 7/8".

I have been looking around for one but don't see them anymore in my neck of the woods. I too don't understand how the 243 eclipsed this fine round.

pjeffreys · « **Reply #63 on:** November 20, 2008, 11:10:24 AM »

it's a funny thing. i logged on to write and ask about a 250-3000 and bang there it was. someone had beat me to it. i have a friend that has just got his paws on a 300 savage and man it is a sexy little cartridge. i got my load manual out and got to doing some investigation. there i came across the 250-3000 or the 250 savage. all i can say is "I WANT ONE NOW!" my neighbor has a youth 243 remington he wants to get rid of. i'm thinking of buying it and rechambering it for the 250. i think the size of the magizine will be fine, i don't think there is any difference in the mag for the 22-250 or the 243. am i correct in this assumption?

AtlLaw · « **Reply #64 on:** November 20, 2008, 12:50:25 PM »

As I remember, way back when I first started thinking about this project I checked all the case dimensions and decided that the only thing required would be to re-barrel the M7 action. Action and mag length are fine and the rails should be also. Matter of fact, I was looking for a 243 youth for this job. Just happened to stumble on the 260!

However, you can't just re-chamber the 243 for obvious and not so obvious reasons. My plan is to send mine to Shaw for a new barrel and other metal work. I hope I can pop a deer with mine this weekend so I can start the work!

Lone Star · « **Reply #65 on:** November 21, 2008, 05:37:56 PM »

I've been a .25-caliber fan for many decades and own .250s. However, when the .260 came out I jumped on a brand new M7 and used it for deer and caribou in Alaska with the 120 BTips. The .260 works so well, and is so close to a .257-bore (just 0.007" larger) that I see no reason to own a .250 today. Except of course, if you just happen to want one!

But I can say from over thirty years of experience that there is no magic in the .257 or .264 bores. They do not kill better than you'd expect from their ballistics - place a good bullet in the right place and the animal dies. A .243 kills no worse on smaller big game. A .270 kills no better except on large game. I like and have used all of them, I just like the .25/.26s a bit better. No magic - just because.

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chj3 · « **Reply #66 on:** November 26, 2008, 04:07:04 PM »

.250 Savage, Encore barrel.

Just joined the site and found this discussion. Have been shooting an Encore with a .250 Savage barrel (from Midway) and a Lyman 8x scope. Reamed out the throat (rental reamer from the outfit in Wyoming) 0.1" to allow seating the bullets long. Likes Hornady 117 gr over Win 760. Fairly consistent on the 500 m rams at Raton, if I lean on the bench instead of trying to shoot off-hand.

BBF · « **Reply #67 on:** November 27, 2008, 11:42:41 AM »

Re Post#4
What made you think a heavier bullet needs a slower twist to stabilize?
Re 250-300. Friend of mine had a new rifle( can't recall what it was) several years ago hunting Fallow deer. Neither one of us was impressed with the 100 gr Silvertip( old style). He traded up to a 348 Win.

We had 223 Rems 308's and one 240 Wby in the group at that time and all of them did a better&faster job then the 250 and the deer were all shot in the lungs.

crash87 · « **Reply #68 on:** November 30, 2008, 04:12:46 AM »

In going through my regiment of topics, I was appalled at what I found here! 250 Savage anyone?
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One would think with the enthusiasm for this cartridge, some firearms Mfg would take notice and start chambering the damn thing. But NO, you have to find a used rifle, preferably cheap, then have it rebarreled to the 250. Yet, still have more in it, usually, than the price of a new one.
Of course it has alot do do with the fact that you just can't have one off the dealers shelf, that puts it in that "I WANT ONE"category. About 15 years ago Savage chambered their youth model in the 250 and 300 savage. The 250 lasted 1 year and the 300 lasted for 2, with it being cambered in a synthetic stock the 2nd in an adult version. I bought my wife a 300 for Her 1st Black Bear hunt, She's used it every since. My sons (12 years old) 1st rifle was going to be a 250, but I found a used, like new, 260 (didnt even concider the .243, never will) and never felt the need (for him anyway) to go with the 250.
Me on the other hand want one real bad!!! Is Savage listening or reading this post and others like it?
Maybe because I read an article by John Taffin where he says Savage will produce, for you, a rifle of your liking, chambered for any cartridge compatible for there rifle, but, for which they have the reamer. Johns choice, the 250 savage. Be carefull on just rebarrelling a 243, 260 etc. owing to the fact that the 250 has a very tapered case some will and some won't feed.
As far as comparing this fine round to the next one down, the 6...metric... something or other? Come on now! We're better than that..............Crash87

kp_customs · « **Reply #69 on:** November 30, 2008, 06:22:00 AM »

In MY opinion the 250 savage is amoung if not the best whitetail rifle. I have three, and am building a fourth. I have 2 savage 99s. one custom buitl on a gew 98k action. and the 96 is out getting a new barrel right now.

Doesniper · « **Reply #70 on:** November 30, 2008, 02:23:00 PM »

Quote from: kp_customs on November 30, 2008, 06:22:00 AM

In MY opinion the 250 savage is amoung if not the best whitetail rifle. I have three, and am building a fourth. I have 2 savage 99s. one custom buitl on a gew 98k action. and the 96 is out getting a new barrel right now.

I agree 100%. Perfect for whitetail.

charles p · « **Reply #71 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:20:24 PM »

Did TC ever load this for the Contender. I think it would be an excellent Contender round.

Skunk · « **Reply #72 on:** December 02, 2008, 05:43:10 PM »

Quote from: crash87 on November 30, 2008, 04:12:46 AM

Me on the other hand want one real bad!!! Is Savage listening or reading this post and others like it?

Well for goodness sakes Crash, don't get your panties in a bunch.

For 2009, Savage is producing the 250 & 300 Savage chamberings in both the Weather Warrior Series and the 14 American Classic. They already have them listed for the Weather Warrior, along with the new Accu Stock:

http://www.savagearms.com/16fhss.htm

By the way, the website says the 250 Savage will have a 1 in 14 twist rate, but it has been confirmed by Jim Baker over at Savage Shooter's Forum that it will actually be a 1 in 10 twist rate. Savage told Baker that the website is a misprint.

crash87 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 03, 2008, 05:59:28 AM »

Skunk, You are the Man! I totally missed it on there site. Looks like a model 14 is in my not to distant future, Thaks for the heads up. CRASH87

crash87 · « **Reply #74 on:** December 03, 2008, 06:08:25 AM »

charles p, No T/C never chambered it in there contender, it opperates at to high of pressure. But.... it is available for the Encore both pistol length and carbine. In fact my Father took one, carbine, in 250 Savage to Texas last year and havested a couple of javelina with it and 100 grain Hornady's. It's available through their custom shop. CRASH87

Inrut24/7 · « **Reply #75 on:** December 03, 2008, 12:55:40 PM »

My buddy randy ordered a 110 in 250 savage after reading taffin's arcticle, but he has yet to recieve it.

lgm270 · « **Reply #76 on:** December 03, 2008, 02:21:30 PM »

Quote from: crash87 on December 03, 2008, 06:08:25 AM

charles p, No T/C never chambered it in there contender, it opperates at to high of pressure. But.... it is available for the Encore both pistol length and carbine. In fact my Father took one, carbine, in 250 Savage to Texas last year and havested a couple of javelina with it and 100 grain Hornady's. It's available through their custom shop. CRASH87

Actually SSK listed the .250 and .250 AI in their contender list of calibers at one time. Don't know about now. Personally I thought the .250 AI would have been cool, based on having read that the AI design reduces back thrust.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #77 on:** December 03, 2008, 04:24:32 PM »

I canned the idea of a Classic or custom shop rifle from Savage in .250. Their rifles are just to big and heavy. So my M7 action still has a purpose!

But I don't have a Savage bolt gun... and I always thought the 300 Savage was the perfect deer cartridge... $:-\$

rich56 · « **Reply #78 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:06:11 AM »

Unless you find a 250 at a good price I advise going for a Remington model 7 in 260. Not much recoil in that round, good ammo choices available. For reloaders everything from 85gr varmint busters to 160 grain moose hunting round noses available. If you could find one, one of the early if not the first Remington 700 Classic was in 250. Good Luck finding one and be prepared to pay a collectors premium.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #79 on:** January 04, 2009, 04:56:36 AM »

Quote from: rich56 on January 04, 2009, 02:06:11 AM

Hey Rich! Was this in reply to my last post?

Dave in WV · « **Reply #80 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:17:03 AM »

A bullet .014" greater in diameter of same construction, weight, and the velocity is equal will kill better than the bullet .014" smaller in diameter?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #81 on:** January 04, 2009, 09:04:55 AM »

I know... I know... It goes against reason. $:-\$ but...

Dave in WV · « **Reply #82 on:** January 04, 2009, 09:26:06 AM »

It must be that "frontal area" Boddington writes about.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #83 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:09:38 AM »

Yup, same as the 270 (.277) is wildly popular and held as adequate for most NA game while the various .6.5's (.264), a measly .013 smaller in diameter just doesn't... uh, measure up.

Dave in WV · « **Reply #84 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:50:37 PM »

Ahh, those hard headed Sweedes. Moose hunting with a 6.5x55.

If we could only get game to tell us which cartridges/bullets hurts worse. Then we'd really know.

Ahshucks · « **Reply #85 on:** February 09, 2009, 09:49:09 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on April 07, 2008, 03:36:11 PM

And I've got that M-7 in .260 sitting in my safe waiting for a new .250 barrel. But it's got to kill a deer for me first. Them's the rules!

You just might want to take that 260 to the range and shoot some siloheuttes. That is the preferred caliber for that competition. With season long practice like that, it would be simply automatic to drop your buck at first sight.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #86 on:** February 10, 2009, 06:19:51 AM »

Ah, would that it were that easy...

You see, I've already lined up 5 or 6 rifles that I need to shoot a deer with next season. Oh, and one revolver... $:-\$ But that includes the M7 .260. So you can understand that I've got to spread my time out among my babies!

Can't give one more attention then another... Them rifle guns can get right jealous if ya give preference to one over the other! Next thing you know them others are flinging bullets all over the range... everywhere but on target!

'sides, I've got a M-700 that's my regular huntin 260!

As I said, the M7 guise is just a temporary thing for my latest little darlin'

Ahshucks · « **Reply #87 on:** February 10, 2009, 12:29:34 PM »

Haha, bet those gun cleaning supply stores smile when you walk in!

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:59:04 AM »

Igm,

Just got one. Have an old Savage 99 that is not too pretty but shoots ok. Got a new Savage Model 14 Classic with a 22 inch barrel. Stock is a pretty piece of walnut with nice grain. It was hard to find though. This is a nice little round and should be plenty accurate in this rifle after I break it in. The .250 is a great round. Almost all the women in Texas weigh more than our whitetails on the hoof here! I think this should put a bullet in a precise place with not much recoil and should be very good for deer.

Thanks,

bT

6.5BR · « **Reply #89 on:** August 16, 2009, 05:25:36 AM »

Not used a 250/3000 ....yet......

Atlaw.....I had an 1885 Low Wall, my son FLATTENED his first 2 deer kills when 12 with 85 BTHP Sierras atop IMR4350......deadly combo. My RSI Ruger #1 dropped a hog DRT at 240 yds, 85gr X.

Use your 243 with confidence. My Low Wall put the first 2 of 3 in 1/2" at 200 yds- 85 Sierra. Routinely 5/8-3/4" rifle.

Now to the Carcano comment, the 6.5 not killing as well as 243s.......could it be he was using mil-surp ball ammo? That round with a good bullet should be similar in killing effect as other 6.5s like 260/6.5x55 if loaded correct.

I would like to own a 250-3000 and hope to build one someday, but am not doing it in hopes of bettering what an accurate 243 using modern quality bullets will do, properly chosen for the task at hand, and steered correctly.