Author Topic: A gas attack. (Read 1385 times)

onecoyote · « **on:** May 11, 2007, 10:32:05 AM »

Are you going to be able to go hunting this year? Most of us are going to have to take other people so we can afford go hunting espeically out west where it's usually a long ways between hunting areas. Where I live in NM regular is up to $3.10 a gal, I hear in SF California it's already $4.00.
When is this madness going to stop? we know we are getting riped off by the oil companys, but the Government does nothing. This country is looking at something very bad happening in the future if things don't change.

gdolby · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:24:32 AM »

Good day to all, I am in NM w/ you onecoyote. I am not pleased by the gas prices either. I will go hunting, have started to cut other things out so I could. It is a shame that this price thing is running unchecked not sure what to do about it. Have a goodun.......Bill

oldandslow · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:32:55 PM »

The price of regular unleaded was 2.99 Thursday, today it is 3.20 over here in Lea Co. NM where oil pays the bills and keeps NM rolling in tax dollars. We get wholesale price of diesel and gasoline and the price of crude oil in the local paper. There is a big difference between the two. The spot price for West Texas intermediate Friday was about 1.48 a gallon ($62.37 a bbl.). Wholesale price of regular unleaded gasoline was 2.3246 a gallon. I think the refiners, wholesalers, retailers are doing pretty well off of us. The state gets their cut what ever the price is. Where the state really gets well is the price of crude. Of course the oil companies want to take credit for the state treasury being in such good shape when it is really coming out of your and my pocket when we stop at the pump.

Well, makes me feel better getting that rant of my chest. Doesn't help me afford to go hunting though.

scrooge · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2007, 03:55:22 PM »

The gas prices are being thrown down our throats because, THEY CAN......Nothing is being done Politically to stop them......It's a shame, but seems to me that's what is being done....

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2007, 04:36:09 AM »

We went to over $3.00 per gallon but has dropped back to $2.97 which is still outrages.
What really burns me is that corps like Exon/Mobile have been showing record profits throughout the start of these high prices...

Then they have the nerve (as told recently on radio advertisement) that if you get the Exon\Moblile card you can get forty dollars back...you are going to have to do alot of driving (thust purchasing fuel)
To be elgible for this savings.

what a slap in the face!

onecoyote: You are correct as this can only hurt the country as alot of our manufacturing is dependant on fuel based products or natural gas to run the operation. If they cant show any profits, layoffs will be in the making. You would think that if this was a serious supply issue, the goverment would have stepped in with rationing or such.

oldandslow · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:54:19 PM »

Well, I thought 3.20 was bad Saturday but I had to run into town yesterday and some of the stations had jumped to 3.30. If I lived in town I think I would clean up and oil the chain on my bicycle and ride it. I getting kind of old but it's a small town. Trouble is if you want to buy anything other than groceries or gasoline you have to drive 22 miles down to Hobbs.

onecoyote · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:51:07 PM »

Oldandslow, from Carrizozo I have to drive 22 miles oneway to go food shopping. If I need anything other then food I have to go 65 miles oneway. Believe me, I'm to old to ride a bike that far.
If you really want to hurt the big boys, DON"T BUY ANYTHING FROM EXXON or MOBIL. The prices well go down, and the rest well follow. We can fight back if you get enough people to do it, pass the word.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:50:00 AM »

Used to be a list of the retailers who sold gas provided by these two major conglomerates...that was back when gas reached $1.60 per gal and the (where not to buy) list were widely distributed through e-mail. I Have Not Seen one of these list for quite some time now.

As of yesterday, our fuel jumped from $2.97 to $3.15...The radio ad wants me to buy a Fuel Effecient
Harley Davidson...Only cost $20,000 so I dont know whether to laugh or cry!
Only good thing that I can say is that my private shooting range is very close.

Sourdough · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2007, 08:43:18 AM »

Diesel is 2.80 a gal here in Alaska, and my 1 ton only gets 12MPG. And you guys think you have far to go, it's 400 miles one way to Valdez to go fishing for Halibut. It's 400 miles to the North Slope to archery hunt the Caribou on the North Slope. And the price of airplane fuel has gone out of sight as well. Costing me more to get flowen in and dropped off.

Luckily my ultralite flys on reguler gas, which right now is 2.76 per gal. And I've got 500 mile range. Problem there is if I shoot anything, I then have to rent a big plane to get it out.

oldandslow · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:12:12 AM »

Onecoyote, I'm guessing you go to Capitan to buy groceries and down to Alamo to buy anything else. At least Hobbs has Wally-world. I used to get over to Carrizzo one in a while to visit an old uncle that ranched down south close to Oscuro but he passed on a few years ago. He sure had some good quail hunting.

I haven't been in a Mobil station in years. I think you have to get close to Dallas to find one. Exxon is a different story because they are plentiful over here. I buy my propane from the Exxon wholesaler because he is about 35 to 40 cents cheaper than everyone else.

My wife has to drive 125 miles one way to see a cardiologist once a month, sometimes twice a month. Anything more serious than a hangnail requires a trip to Texas.

BIG Dog454 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:37:29 AM »

$3.39 to $3.49 here, Can't afford to put the boat in the lake, Lake Erie.
check out these gas prices
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx

onecoyote · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:47:48 AM »

Yep, regular is $3.499 at our local stations. Well it get to $4 this year? probably. You ever hear of the trickle down effect? Food and clothes well cost more money, Restaurants and motels well go out of business because nobody can afford vacations. Motor homes and other RVs well be a thing of the past, RV parks well go out of business and that's just the start of it all. If the Government don't do anything about it, we are looking for BIG trouble in the future.

elmer · « **Reply #12 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:43:13 AM »

Adding ethanol only increased the cost and reduced gas mileage. The state and federal government actually make more "profit" from a gallon of gas than the oil company, distributor, or retailer does. There use do be one car per household and it averaged about 12,000 miles per year. Now there are three cars per household and they average 15,000 miles per year, or a 275% increase in usage. The usage is actually up more than that because there are more households now than 30 years ago. The quickest way to get the government and the oil companies attention is to reduce mileage driven.

elmer · « **Reply #13 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:53:20 AM »

Okay when you start debating about the record profits of Exxon/Mobil you need to figure in the fact that there are $467,000,000 investor dollars in the company that is sharing that profit. I looked at buying some stock, but heck it was only about a 9% return at the peak. Average it out of 5 years and I can do better elsewhere.

I spend more on corn than gas as far as hunting goes so my beef is that adding ethanol to gas has DRASTICALLY increased the cost of corn.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:06:44 AM »

Elmer,
While I am not prepared to discuss the Exxon/Mobil record profits, I know what you are saying on the investor dollars and the returns. My Wife knows a couple of people at her work place who claim that they really are not getting much more return since the price boom. Seemed like their profit margins were at 2% or less(quarterly) but I would have to check again to be sure. I dont know where the money is going...probably to the top of the pyramid!...

I would also say that you are correct on the corn prices. Last I knew we were around $2.40 per bushel which had since jumped up into the $3.60 range...this can only go higher, specially if gas hits the $4.00 mark.
The Ethanol is IMO a mixed blessing. Your vehical needs to be approved for this new 85% blend and even if you own one the milage could be significantly less than what you get with regular petro which would have one paying the same price in the end.

elmer · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2007, 12:48:48 PM »

glanceblamm,

It's a simple question of return on investment. If you have a 1 billion employees and each makes $20,000 per year your payroll (before taxes and benefits) is $20,000,000,000,000. That's a lot of money, but does it mean they need to take a paycut. Not hardly.

Saloon slug · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:05:23 AM »

Payed 3.60 a gallon a couple weeks ago in the mountains. It is down to about 3.20 where I live here on base. It hasn't slowed down my hunting at all was out with my buddy yesterday called in 2 dogs bagged one. Will probably go out again in a week or two to get the dog that got away.

hrminer92 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:40:32 AM »

Quote from: gdolby on May 12, 2007, 12:24:32 AM

It is a shame that this price thing is running unchecked not sure what to do about it.

Figure out how to use less of it! Car pool, reduce the number of unnecessary trips, drive a car to work instead of a truck, etc. Whatever you and your friends & neighbors can do to reduce fuel usage the better. Go to the link listed below and put your mouse on the Gasoline link in the "Stocks" chart. If you have a basic understanding of the concept of "Supply & Demand", you will immediately know why the fuel prices are so high. Demand is up and the supply is down (11% below last year).

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp

Boycotting various distributors isn't going to help. Reducing fuel consumption will.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:00:31 AM »

hrminer92

Good Advice! we have been combining trips when ever possible and are seeing some savings.
I am being conditioned though as I paid $2.77 yesterday and was happy about it

Onecoyote...how has the tourism been?...sure would like to see the Museum sometime...do ya suppose we could run to the edge of town & try to call something in?...might grab one of the vintage calls out of the case at the musem to try it out...will bring it back...I promise

hrminer92 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2007, 05:45:25 PM »

It was 2.65 here, which kinda surprised me. It was over $3 the last time I bought fuel a couple weeks ago.