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6.5x55 at the range
« on: May 18, 2007, 01:12:10 PM »
Found a really nice load for my T3 Tikka 6.5x55 and final tested today.  120 gr. speer hot core and 49grs. of RL-19 for 2950fps, start lower this is not quite a max load but it isn't far from here!.  Groups sub-moa!  At the end of my time I was shooting a small deer sized gong at 300 yds.   Hitting it every time and in a very nice kill zone group.  Sighted in 2.5" high at 100yds and about 6" low at 300yds., 200yds is dead on.  I wanted a mule deer load and this should do it.  I had a gas today.  This 6.5x55 seems to always surprise me in a good way.  This is a really accurate caliber and firearm, as for me I am along for the ride!    Buckfever

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 05:49:51 PM »
Sounds like you've found a winner. My .260 thinks 129 Hornadys are the greatest thing since fire, and I can drive them nearly as fast as the lighter bullets, but have throttled back to 2700 fps, as I get nearly the same trajectory.  ;)
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 07:42:50 AM »
Years ago I did a great deal of loading and shooting with this caliber in mil surp swedish mausers.  It shot everything. I could not make bad ammo for this caliber. Everything shot well. I got my best groups with 140 grain Sierra gamekings.

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 03:26:04 AM »
Found my happy load yesterday - 140gr Speer at about 2570 in my 96.

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 04:57:10 PM »
Buckfever & Sweet 6.5

Looks like 2 good loads to me. My Wife uses a 6.5X55, a Swed. Mau. sporterized with a 24" barrel. She is going with me this fall to
WY Lord willing & I need to start on a load. I am going to try the 130 Accubond & 130 Swift Sc. as they both have a very high BC, esp. the Swift. Will she be shooting far, not really, probably not over 250-300 yards. I just want to see what these bullets will do in her rifle. We have used 120BT through the 139 Norma in the past & they are all good for Deer sized game.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 09:31:23 PM »
You should also give a try to the Nosler 100gr. Ballistic tips...  Loaded 'em to 3050fps out of my CZ 550 FS and the bullets were PERFECT on whitetails at 120yds and 270yds....expanded and punched through.  I wonder if the jackets are a bit thicker due to people using them in the 264 Winny Mag?

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2007, 04:40:52 AM »
Dakota, what is the twist rate of your CZ in 6.5x55?  I have thought about trying a littler weight bullet but don't know if my Tikka T3 with a 8/1 twist rate will work that well?   Thanks   Buckfever

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2007, 01:14:13 PM »
Buckfever,
It is 1:8.6in.  I hope it shoots as well through your Tikka as it does through my CZ under a charge of Varget.  Unless I got a box of magic bullets, you should be really impressed with the performance.  A non-bonded ballistic tip that makes a quarter sized hole in the near lung, half-dollar size in the far lung, and slows down enough to leave a thumb-sized exit hole?!!!!  I was so worried about a lack of penetration, or it destroying meat on the exit...
  Oh ya, you might not read this on here or in magazines, but venison taken with the Swede does seem to sweeten the meat a bit.  It makes venison soooo good, you might want to serve it as desert. ;D

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2007, 03:39:06 PM »
You should also give a try to the Nosler 100gr. Ballistic tips...  Loaded 'em to 3050fps out of my CZ 550 FS and the bullets were PERFECT on whitetails at 120yds and 270yds....expanded and punched through.  I wonder if the jackets are a bit thicker due to people using them in the 264 Winny Mag?

Jim
I'd be a little hesitant to use the 100gn BT for deer.
My mate uses these for bunnies and hares and another friend uses them on roos.
They're explosive and tended to expand rapidly.
If you have to use them I wouldn't want to hit anything too close in.
The 120gn BT or the 130gn Accubond seem a better bet.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2007, 08:17:10 PM »
100gr is too light for me rifle. 125gr is Ok but I get the best groups with 140gr.

End of April I tried for Kudu but couldn't get one. I will be off beginning of
June again, kudu or blue wildebeest. Whichever crosses my path first.

I know they are tough and big but I will just have make sure of my shot.




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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 01:08:20 AM »
Sweet 6.5, have you thought about using 160 grainers?
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 08:11:22 PM »
Hi Kombi
Yes - I have tried Sierra and Hornady. The grouping was just not good enough. If it was ok I would have used nothing else, seeing that 99 % of my hunting will be close to medium range, 80m to 150m, so the 160gr would have been perfect. 
For the upcoming hunt I am considering the 140gr. Rhinos. ( Solid shank core bonded,  www. rhinobullets.co.za). The accuracy is not as good as with the Speers, but I think I need a stonger bullet more than the exctra inch in accuracy.

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 10:00:10 AM »
I'd be a little hesitant to use the 100gn BT for deer.
My mate uses these for bunnies and hares and another friend uses them on roos.
They're explosive and tended to expand rapidly.
If you have to use them I wouldn't want to hit anything too close in.
The 120gn BT or the 130gn Accubond seem a better bet.



How fast is you buddy shooting those 100gr. 6.5mm ballistic tips?  You know I am talking about the brown tipped ones that Nosler designed for deer, right?  Also, where are you aiming?  I go BEHIND the shoulder so not to waste meat.  I could definitely see the possibility of explosive expansion if you are aiming at a big old shoulder bone...

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2007, 05:57:32 AM »
How fast is you buddy shooting those 100gr. 6.5mm ballistic tips?  You know I am talking about the brown tipped ones that Nosler designed for deer, right?  Also, where are you aiming?  I go BEHIND the shoulder so not to waste meat.  I could definitely see the possibility of explosive expansion if you are aiming at a big old shoulder bone...
Jim
My mate loads them warm.....3015fps @ the muzzle.
But I'd still be very reluctant to take a deer with some thing that obliterates hares and rabbits.
Medium game they may be great for but deer would not be my recommendation for that bullet.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2007, 10:11:37 PM »
I load my 100gr. at 3050fps over my chrono...  Took whitetails, ND whitetails at 120yds. and 270yds. and the bullets punched clean through with virtually no meat damage.  Hmmm....maybe they make 100gr. Varmint Ballistic Tips and send them to your neck of the woods?

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2007, 04:20:31 AM »
I load my 100gr. at 3050fps over my chrono...  Took whitetails, ND whitetails at 120yds. and 270yds. and the bullets punched clean through with virtually no meat damage.  Hmmm....maybe they make 100gr. Varmint Ballistic Tips and send them to your neck of the woods?
Jim
I seriously doubt it. ;D
But I am a little perplexed.
Here's what his load did to a bunny.......



And here's what it did to the hare! :o



As I say, by the things I've seen I would not choose the 100gn on deer.
They obviously work well for you however. ;)
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2007, 06:21:26 AM »
I also took my 6.5x55 to the range today. I am again impressed with this rifle and cartridge. Consistently holding a tight group a 300 yards, even hitting the ten ring. Sierra 140 grain BTHP over a good charge of RL19. The real kicker is the rifle, an all original model 96 made in 1899. This gun is beautiful and the accuracy is truly amazing. With some concentration the original sights work very well. I was doing some range work in anticipation of a military rifle competition rumored to take place at our local club. I have a number of military bolt rifles, but the 6.5 Swede has so many advantages.

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2007, 11:21:19 PM »
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 05:39:02 AM »
;D
140gn Rhino?
Very nice work, Sweet 6.5.....VERY nice work. :)
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 07:19:43 PM »
Yes I used the Rhino's. On the shoulder trough both lungs
and stopped in the next shoulder.

This wildebeest is really tough. 

I also shot an impala ewe. She was walking at a angle towards me
and I shot her on the left shoulder. I found the bullet under the skin
on the right back leg.

The same bullet that did a full length of an impala couldn't do the width
of the blue wildebeest. ( She also weighed 1/4 of the blue wildebeest)

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 08:05:36 PM »
Holy Cow!  Those bunnies look a heck of a lot worse than either whitetail I took with the 100gr. BallisticTips!!!  Seriously, looks like a totally different bullet was used. ???

Jim
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2007, 04:26:05 AM »
The state of the bunny and hare are pretty much the reason why I wouldn't use them on deer.
I really can't explain it.
To be honest I'd be reluctant to use anything lighter than a 120gn on deer and it would have to be a really good bullet.
Preferable are 140gn pills.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2007, 08:32:03 AM »
My fav dealer beat me over the head, a few weeks ago - and I ended up with a 6.5X55 Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight, mounted Leupy 2-7X scope, and three boxes of Norma 156gr Onyx factory loads.

I only shot four or five rounds, at my club - since I was fooling around with several rifle at the time - but It seemed to do OK @ 100yds with them.

I like the idea of "heavy-weight-for-caliber" loads, so I'll probably play with it a little more this Summer.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2007, 10:17:29 PM »
Those featherweights in 6.5x55 are apparently a lovely rifle.
How did it group with those heavy loads?
It would be fascinating to find out what the twist is for that bbl.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 01:48:03 PM »
Both groups I fired were hovering around 1 1/4" - 1 1/2" at 100yds, which I thought showed promise.

I intend to increase the up-pressure, of the stock, at the forend tip a little more than the pressure currently there provided by the little factory high spot - which I've found to be very beneficial to accuracy, in previous post-90's Classic Featherweights, I've owned.

I expect it will eventually deliver groups close to about 30% better than it did, last time.

As near as I can measure it, using the crude tight patch/marked cleaning rod method, the twist seems to be about 1 in 9" - but I was getting a little slippage, so that figure's not exact.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2007, 12:52:23 AM »
Well, 1:9" sounds ok.
Not as tight as the original military bbls which were, from memory, about 1:7.8" but certainly enough to stabilise the heavier end of the 6.5mm range of bullets.
Y'know, when you consider how tight the military rifling is and consequently how flexible it made those rifles it's small wonder that they became great sporters.
There are no other mil-surps, with the exception of SMLEs, which have been as popular here in Australia as the Swedish Mauser and considering their flexibility, low recoil and giant-killing performance it's no surprise.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2007, 01:40:13 AM »
How much difference will barrel length make to stabilise bullets or is it only the twist. Mine is suppose to like
these 156gr and 160gr. No luck, can it be because I chopped the barrel at 22".
I even bought a box of Norma's because I thought I might be
doing something wrong when I load my own!!


Kombi1976 - on something else, how big is hunting in Australia?

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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2007, 03:19:34 AM »
In my experience, barrel length only affects accuracy indirectly - such as when using iron sights, the shorter sighting radius is marginally less accurate than the same setup with a longer barrel/sighting radius: or when shooting with a powder that needs a long(er) barrel to perform properly.

You said that you shortened your barrel, however - and any inaccuracy following that change would make me look very hard at the muzzle for square-ness and a proper crown, into the rifling.
IMHO, any disparity, in that area, would tend to deteriorate your accuracy.
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2007, 03:42:39 AM »
Won't stabilise 156 or 160 grainers? :-\
Geez, that's rare for a M96.
Can't think bbl length would make that much difference.
If you'd cut back a long barrelled Carcano which had gain-twist rifling then I could understand it but not a Swede.
Plenty of the M38 Swedes quite happily stabilise the heavy pills and they're a 23" bbl. ???

Now, as to hunting in Oz, it depends where you live.
In the big cities the general populace don't hunt and most don't even approve of guns(read: have never seen one in the flesh and watch too much TV ::) ) but if you head bush most country towns have a solid rifle or trap or pistol club.
We have significant numbers of feral species around normal farms and smaller national parks like bunnies, cats, hares, goats and foxes which make nuisances of themselves.
Then there the deer in highlands down the East Coast and in spots of South Australia and Tasmania.
And finally, mostly up north and out in central Australia, are the hogs, camels, donkeys, brumbies(feral horses), scrub bull (feral cattle) and Asiatic water buffalo.
On top of that, for those with farmer mates who have the tags, is roo culling.
Suffice to say, if you have the time, money and/or contacts you need never leave Oz to have a varied hunting experience.
The shooting community does cop a hiding in the press but for the most part all they know is how to spin stuff so it sounds bad, not how safe or humane the overwhelming majority of hunters are.
Sure, there's a redneck mentality to some of it but I've found that it's mostly bravado and that the same guys who sound like they've just come down from the hills will be the first ones to pull you up when it comes to hunting ettiquite.
Most of them have reached the point where they'd stand lazily with their rifle over their shoulder(unloaded with the bolt and ammo locked in their car) and smile evilly while they blast banjo music from a CD player, just to scare off the tree huggers! ;D
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Re: 6.5x55 at the range
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2007, 05:04:24 AM »
In my experience, barrel length only affects accuracy indirectly - such as when using iron sights, the shorter sighting radius is marginally less accurate than the same setup with a longer barrel/sighting radius: or when shooting with a powder that needs a long(er) barrel to perform properly.
You said that you shortened your barrel, however - and any inaccuracy following that change would make me look very hard at the muzzle for square-ness and a proper crown, into the rifling.
IMHO, any disparity, in that area, would tend to deteriorate your accuracy.
Rangr44 has an excellent point and one that only occurred to me just as I was posting my reply.
Get your muzzle checked by a good gunsmith before chucking away those heavy slugs.
It could well change help a lot. ;)
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