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Offline Questor

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Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« on: May 22, 2007, 04:39:54 AM »
I have a source of very good quality lead bullets for my target shooting. The only complaint is that they lead the bore of my pistols. I believe this is because of poor lubrication.

I thought I'd try tumbling the bullets in Lee Liquid Alox to see if my hypothesis about the lubrication is correct.

Last night I received a bottle of the lube. I made a tumbling vessel out of a gallon milk jug by cutting one of the sides off. I put about 175 bullets into the jug and dribbled just enough of the lube on the bullets to wet them all. To tumble them I used a very necessary vinyl glove on my hand, then mixed the lube and bullets like mixing a caesar salad.

Then I set the bullets on wax paper to dry. The whole process, including making the vessel and admiring my work took about 10 minutes. In the future I think I could do 500 bullets in about 10 to 15 minutes from tumbling to setting them on the wax paper. I consider this a reasonable amount of time if it means I no longer have to deal with leading.

Clean-up was just wiping the inside of the vessel with a paper towel and disposing of the very icky disposable glove.

The lube temporarily softens the wax that is already on the bullets. The lube doesn't take very long to dry, but I waited until morning before staging them for loading. Once the lube is dry it leaves a waxy film that is reminiscent of old shellac that needs to be replaced on a piece of furniture. The film is very thin and, because of the tumbling process, coats the entire bullet. This means that the bullets will be usable for target shooting, but not for field use because they will tend to collect grit and dust if they are used in the field.  Dropping a round in the sand would also require careful wiping.  This isn't a problem for the kind of target shooting I do.  The film is very similar to the waxy film we find on .22 LR ammo.

As a matter of production, I think the best approach would be to do a couple of thousand at a time, then let them dry. Then put the dried bullets into a clean place where they won't pick up dust.

Will this work? Will my leading problem go away? It'll take a couple of weeks to test it properly. As they used to say during the brief long-ago television fad, "stay tuned".
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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 10:56:11 AM »
Could also be:  bullets too soft ( velosity too high).  Bullets too hard (velosity too low).  Bullets too small.

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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2007, 04:28:23 AM »
It didn't work. Actually, it made the situation somewhat worse because the leading is about the same but the black sooty fouling is much worse. Oh well, live and learn. At least we now know that this particular leading is not a function of lubrication. 
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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2007, 10:43:26 PM »
is this a 1911 your shooting and at what level are you loading it? ive never had a problem with any 1911 with leading even using bevel based bullets or soft bullets. Have you checked to see if you have a rough bore?
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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 03:20:36 AM »
Lloyd:

It's actually a couple of 1911s that are built by different makers. They both exhibit the same problem with this brand of bullets. It never happened with other brands of bullets before. They are 200gr commercially cast SWCs for bullseye loads of around 800fps. The bores definitely aren't rough. Both guns are custom target pistols.

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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 01:42:29 PM »
Questor-By any chance is the leading problem associated with swaged bullets?? Erod

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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 01:34:49 AM »
then your source for quality bullets isnt!!!
Lloyd:

It's actually a couple of 1911s that are built by different makers. They both exhibit the same problem with this brand of bullets. It never happened with other brands of bullets before. They are 200gr commercially cast SWCs for bullseye loads of around 800fps. The bores definitely aren't rough. Both guns are custom target pistols.


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Re: Lee gets another chance: Liquid Alox
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2007, 03:36:24 AM »
Lloyd:

You are undoubtedly right. I am looking for another maker now.

Ernierod:

These particular bullets are hard cast. I have had problems using swaged bullets in a Pardini 45, but not in a 1911. The problem was "chamber plating", which caused gradual loss of reliability in feeding. There was no bore leading at all in with the Star swaged bullets in any gun. I really liked them. They were economical too. I also use Speer swaged wadcutters in a 38 caliber S&W revolver and have never had any leading problems with those bullets. I keep the velocity to about 800fps. More velocity would probably be bad with swaged bullets.
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