GOOD-EVENING FRIENDS .... Hmmmmm seems to me I recall ALFRED HITCHCOCK'S intro sounding like that ... I better change it .. smile , smile ..... CAT thanx for the info , yup thats what it looks like ..its about 6" by 6" .. all I know is that it came back from the first gulf war ..... I wonder can it be used for round ball range and trajectory on a full size mortar ?? .............. Thanx Cazador for the generous offer ... but I already went down and purchased the materials , oak and steel ........ I love a chalenge so im going through the old posts for helpfull hints , ideas ......I will post the progress .. This is one of the irishmans 69 cal. 12" models .......I figured it would be good for plinking at the local range .... DD inspired ......TROPICO the art work is an old lithograph , Its of Washington Irving and and all the famouse authers of that time in his study .. its an interesting pic only a few exist .......