If we asked for it, do you think they would make it?

[goodwrench6710]

Seems to me that alot Handi fans would love to have big magnum calipers. So if enough people would ask them for it, why wouldn't they make something for these customers? I would like a 300 win. mag. myself. Maybe if they would receive enough requests, they would build them. The point I'm trying to make here is if enough people wanted to purchase a new, improved, stronger Handi, why wouldn't they build it? Componies like CVA & Thompson offer them, so why couldn't NEF H&R redesign their receiver to take it & offer a better product? I started hunting with a H&R & I think that alot of the users of their products may change do to the fact of other manufacturers offering more & could leave them behind.

[trotterlg]

If the lawyers didn't complain and they thought they could make money with them they would be on the shelves next week.  Larry

[Mac11700]

Seems to me that alot Handi fans would love to have big magnum calipers. So if enough people would ask them for it, why wouldn't they make something for these customers? I would like a 300 win. mag. myself. Maybe if they would receive enough requests, they would build them. The point I'm trying to make here is if enough people wanted to purchase a new, improved, stronger Handi, why wouldn't they build it? Componies like CVA & Thompson offer them, so why couldn't NEF H&R redesign their receiver to take it & offer a better product? I started hunting with a H&R & I think that alot of the users of their products may change do to the fact of other manufacturers offering more & could leave them behind.

Namely because Marlin is making a good profit on their current design and it would cost way more than they want to invest to re-tool to be able to sell them at a profit. Also..the cost they would have to sell them at would be more than many want to spend.The CVA's and Knights are priced higher than what your average Handi rifle cost..and are doing well from what I've been told..Marlin could build them if they wanted to..and may if it becomes apparent to them that they are losing sales because of them...Right now I don't think they are being impacted enough to bother..but..if sales of the others continue..and they get production ramped up enough to meet demand...this may cause Marlin to re think their position..

Mac

[quickdtoo]

That would be real nice, but Marlin won't work on improving the products they currently offer, Mac's right, I don't see them investing in a new product at all, not with their current way of thinking.

Tim

[goodwrench6710]

It is a crying shame that is what the attitudes are of the manufactures that are based in our country. As an example (Chrysler Corp.). At one time they had a desent product & now they are on a downhill spiral that may be their demise! The first quarter of the year "Toyota" beat the big 3 in sales, why, they offer a good product & creating more American jobs! If our US based & owned componies don't do something about this problem, then Japan & China are going to win a war & never fire a weapon!!! It's really a big disappointment! We need to take our country back & take some pride in our work & products.

[Mac11700]

It is a crying shame that is what the attitudes are of the manufactures that are based in our country. As an example (Chrysler Corp.). At one time they had a desent product & now they are on a downhill spiral that may be their demise! The first quarter of the year "Toyota" beat the big 3 in sales, why, they offer a good product & creating more American jobs! If our US based & owned componies don't do something about this problem, then Japan & China are going to win a war & never fire a weapon!!! It's really a big disappointment! We need to take our country back & take some pride in our work & products.

The CVA's Elite's are made in a brand new plant in Bagara Spain..a country that has been producing top quality firearms for centuries..in a brand new ISO 9000 plant...The T/C's and new Knights are made here...To figure out why the CVA's aren't produced here is really quite simple...cost...Thier labor cost isn't as high in Spain as what our labor cost here in the states..Chinese made weapons aren't of the quality that most want or demand...and is some I choose not to purchase...The Japenese do much better..but the cost of these guns are high because of the quality & cost that goes into it...same for most other items that is produced there...like their optics..and alot of their cars..

We can't take back what has been lost my friend...You need only look at the rest of the US gun manufacturing to see this...The management mindset hasn't changed...and most likely never will till something drastic happens..even then they may not..Look at Winchester...For it to change...everyone has to change...including the workforce...We have to learn to deal with a global economy...like it or not..and with the way we have done things in the past we cannot compete with the way it is now...It will take a lot from both the workforce and management to change...some companies are doing better...but it will take a long time for the rest to catch up...It starts by having the best manufacturing equipment to build things with...and people who take pride in their work...not just punch a clock and expect a pay check...and companies who want to keep cost resonable..not overchaging for their product..

Mac

[nomosendero]

Yes, the US companies have to regroup, but I view US auto companies as a separate & more severe example, thanks to UAW. We have a lot of new Toyota support plants that have come into Eastern AR because they offer god pay without the attached insanity that UAW has pulled US companies down with. But back to the subject.

It is nice that we have alternatives & have other choices. If Marlin does not want this customer base, then bye bye.

[goodwrench6710]

I guess everyone does see my point on this subject. The American greed seems to be the demise! A man or woman should do $10 per hr. of work for $10. That is why we are losing the battle & loose our jobs & companies to foreign countries! You can't expect to stay in business if you don't put something back into your manufacturing. I'm just afraid if they don't do something, my grandchildren (hopefully will have some someday) willnot be able to enjoy the pleasure we have of buying their first H&R like we did!

[v8r]

does a .300 mag or any other magnum do any better than a 30-06,.270,or any of the other cartridges that are already out there.I truly believe that the only reason for a magnum is dangerous game.Most of the game in north america won't be any more dead when it is hit with a 300 mag than with a 30-06 with proper shot placement.         I know everyone likes something different,but a handi in a magnum anything is going to be unpleasent to shoot.Just shoot a nef single shot 12 gauge shotgun with a 3'' magnum shell in it,and you will know what I am saying.Sorry just my opinion.

[gomerdog]

I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, but rather than the magnums, I'd like to see two calibers that are a little more benign. The 375 Winchester and the 356 Winchester seem to be a natural for the Handi-Rifle platform in a 22 inch barrel. But that's just me. No doubt the rifles and accessory barrels most likely would not sell well enough to make a significant profit. Pity.

[superjay01]

I'd like to see a 260 rem. For the life of me I don't know why more 260's aren't made. I know Remington makes one or two guns in that caliber. I think it's a versatile caliber. I think the biggest thing with the magnum caliber is that they would have to charge more money for them, and then you are getting close to TC prices. To be honest with you I'll be happy if they bring out a new caliber every year or so. I know the 444 makes me happy.

[Mac11700]

(1)does a .300 mag or any other magnum do any better than a 30-06,.270,or any of the other cartridges that are already out there.(2)I truly believe that the only reason for a magnum is dangerous game.Most of the game in north america won't be any more dead when it is hit with a 300 mag than with a 30-06 with proper shot placement.        (3) I know everyone likes something different,but a handi in a magnum anything is going to be unpleasent to shoot.Just shoot a nef single shot 12 gauge shotgun with a 3'' magnum shell in it,and you will know what I am saying.Sorry just my opinion.

1...In reality..yes...they do have better ballistics and that can make a real difference to some people depending on their particular needs or wants..

2)..Your entitled to your own opinion..just as anyone here is..but..there are always 3 sides to every coin..Not all people hunt like you do or in the same type of terrain..nor share your beliefs...Magnums do have their place and for those who use them all the time...enjoy the real advantages of them..They don't worry if they are "over gunned" or if some other cartridge can kill a deer just as dead...or if they could get by using a lesser cartridge...They are the ones pulling the trigger and paying for it...

3) Not if you have done your homework and have followed the recommendations of those of us who have told folks repeatedly how to set them up properly..If I could have a couple Weatherby magnums in a Handi..and the rifle withstand the effects of the cartridge..I would have them in a heart beat...Can I kill a deer at 300 yards with a 25-06...sure I can..but I could do the same with a 257 Weatherby Magnum and much further..and do the same with the 270 Weatherby...both of these turn standard rounds in much more...Some Magnums do give you an advantage..and they are offered in factory ammo...not so with some wildcats that give the same..

It's not so much of needs for normal hunting...but what a person wants..and what they are willing to do to get it...Those of us that like magnums don't see the reason others like to say we don't need a magnums...Face it...the majority of hunters here could get by with a 22 long rifle or 22 magnum if pressed hard enough...it's just that we don't want to...

Mac

[lik2hunt]

If we asked for it, do you think they would make it?

No.

[RugerNo3]

It is a crying shame that is what the attitudes are of the manufactures that are based in our country. As an example (Chrysler Corp.). At one time they had a desent product & now they are on a downhill spiral that may be their demise! The first quarter of the year "Toyota" beat the big 3 in sales, why, they offer a good product & creating more American jobs! If our US based & owned componies don't do something about this problem, then Japan & China are going to win a war & never fire a weapon!!! It's really a big disappointment! We need to take our country back & take some pride in our work & products.

You may speak of Toyota, but why isn't everyone asking why they had 9,000,000 cars recalled in 3years. Give or take a few, somebody has to wake up here. That includes their Lexus brand that the snobs drive. Course, they're the same ones that think Hillary will save the country, I imagine. It is perception only, not fact, that the Japanese cars are great. Honda is the best of that bunch, but keeps their bragging down.

[goodwrench6710]

I guess what I was getting at is the manufactures in this country are selling out, making products in other countries & shipping back here. Some manufactures don't want to retool, run the machines into the dirt till no one wants their products anymore, etc... And I feel that it is a shame that we as a country are supporting all these other countries. We are allowing these countries to take over the industry & we have become a consumer nation, not industrial. Eventually the dollar will be worth nothing!!! Look at Winchester, sold out! It's happening to all of our industry & we let it happen. As far as politics, I feel we haven't had a good president since Regan. But this really wasn't meant to get into a political debate. It was a debate on if a manufacturer had enough people ask for a product, would they possibly provide it or not. I think they could for a reasonable cost. I'm not saying they should change the old handi, just offer another product to apeal to more people & boost sales. I do love my Handi & wouldn't get rid of it. It's fun & was reasonably priced.

[Mac11700]

I guess what I was getting at is the manufactures in this country are selling out, making products in other countries & shipping back here. Some manufactures don't want to retool, run the machines into the dirt till no one wants their products anymore, etc... And I feel that it is a shame that we as a country are supporting all these other countries. We are allowing these countries to take over the industry & we have become a consumer nation, not industrial. Eventually the dollar will be worth nothing!!! Look at Winchester, sold out! It's happening to all of our industry & we let it happen. As far as politics, I feel we haven't had a good president since Regan. But this really wasn't meant to get into a political debate. It was a debate on if a manufacturer had enough people ask for a product, would they possibly provide it or not. I think they could for a reasonable cost. I'm not saying they should change the old handi, just offer another product to apeal to more people & boost sales. I do love my Handi & wouldn't get rid of it. It's fun & was reasonably priced.

First off...I don't feel I am supporting other countries with what I spend on foreign made guns...I look to them to give me what I am looking for...be it a Beretta..Benelli..Mirouko..CZ..Anshutz..Tika..Howa..or a Belgium Browning..I understand what your saying though about our companies folding and having to buy from across the ponds..but..for a-lot of us...there has always been this alternative...We aren't allowing them to take over...the economy is...

You seem to think it would be a small cost to magnumize a Handi...R&D cost big bucks my friend...so does re-tooling..and re training the work force to fit them then assemble them...By the time it was all said and done..you could very easily add another $150-$250 to the price of the gun...and that is for just getting nothing else but a magnum cartridge in them...not better grade wood..or tighter tolerances..and full polished and high grade bluing...Add all that in.and guess what...You would be paying way more than a CVA Optima Elite...more than the new Knights...and about the same as a Encore..They could do it if they wanted to...but...how many do you think they would sell at that price...?

Mac

[Sourdough]

Like Stimpylu32  said accept the Handi for what it is.  If you want something bigger get a Ruger or TC.   It would not be a Handi, something rugged, reliable, and Handi.  A gun you can keep Handi while working or playing outside.  Anything bigger would not be Handi.

[DalesCarpentry]

I think I need to ask Goodwrench what the next weeks lottery numbers will be. Looks like it has come true. Dale

[cowboyup453]

I think I need to ask Goodwrench what the next weeks lottery numbers will be. Looks like it has come true. Dale

You might have to run them for a couple of months but it just might mork.